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Intelligent Design is not a science

  • Section_Ei8ht
  • December 20, 2005 at 10:57 PM
  • Section_Ei8ht
    • December 20, 2005 at 10:57 PM
    • #1
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    ’Intelligent design’ can’t be taught as science, judge rules2005-12-20 -- HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) -- In one of the biggest courtroom clashes between faith and evolution since the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, a federal judge barred a Pennsylvania public school district Tuesday from teaching "intelligent design’’ in biology class, saying the concept is creationism in disguise.

    U.S. District Judge John E. Jones delivered a stinging attack on the Dover Area School Board, saying its first-in-the-nation decision in October 2004 to insert intelligent design into the science curriculum violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

    The ruling was a major setback to the intelligent design movement, which is also waging battles in Georgia and Kansas. Intelligent design holds that living organisms are so complex that they must have been created by some kind of higher force.

    Jones decried the "breathtaking inanity’’ of the Dover policy and accused several board members of lying to conceal their true motive, which he said was to promote religion.

    A six-week trial over the issue yielded "overwhelming evidence’’ establishing that intelligent design "is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory,’’ said Jones, a Republican and a churchgoer appointed to the federal bench three years ago.

    The school system said it will probably not appeal the ruling, because the members who backed intelligent design were ousted in November’s elections and replaced with a new slate opposed to the policy.

    During the trial, the board argued that it was trying improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection.

    The policy required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade lessons on evolution. The statement said Darwin’s theory is "not a fact’’ and has inexplicable "gaps.’’ It referred students to an intelligent-design textbook, "Of Pandas and People.’’

    But the judge said: "We find that the secular purposes claimed by the board amount to a pretext for the board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom.’’

    In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states cannot require public schools to balance evolution lessons by teaching creationism.

    Eric Rothschild, an attorney for the families who challenged the policy, called the ruling "a real vindication for the parents who had the courage to stand up and say there was something wrong in their school district.’’

    Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., which represented the school district and describes its mission as defending the religious freedom of Christians, said: "What this really looks like is an ad hominem attack on scientists who happen to believe in God.’’

    It was the latest chapter in a debate over the teaching of evolution dating back to the Scopes trial, in which Tennessee biology teacher John T. Scopes was fined $100 for violating a state law against teaching evolution.

    Earlier this month, a federal appeals court in Georgia heard arguments over whether a suburban Atlanta school district had the right to put stickers on biology textbooks describing evolution as a theory, not fact. A federal judge last January ordered the stickers removed.

    In November, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question.

    President Bush also weighed in on the issue of intelligent design recently, saying schools should present the concept when teaching about the origins of life.

    In his ruling, Jones said that while intelligent design, or ID, arguments "may be true, a proposition on which the court takes no position, ID is not science.’’ Among other things, he said intelligent design "violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation’’; it relies on "flawed and illogical’’ arguments; and its attacks on evolution "have been refuted by the scientific community.’’

    "The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources,’’ he wrote.

    The judge also said: "It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.’’

    Former school board member William Buckingham, who advanced the policy, said from his new home in Mt. Airy, N.C., that he still feels the board did the right thing.

    "I’m still waiting for a judge or anyone to show me anywhere in the Constitution where there’s a separation of church and state,’’ he said. "We didn’t lose; we were robbed.’’

    The controversy divided Dover and surrounding Dover Township, a rural area of nearly 20,000 residents about 20 miles south of Harrisburg. It galvanized voters to oust eight school board members who supported the policy in the Nov. 8 school board election. The ninth board member was not up for re-election.

    The new school board president, Bernadette Reinking, said the board intends to remove intelligent design from the science curriculum and place it in an elective social studies class. "As far as I can tell you, there is no intent to appeal,’’ she said.

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    Maybe these loudmouth Christians will finally start to shut the fuck up. The is the one that really kills me:

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    "I’m still waiting for a judge or anyone to show me anywhere in the Constitution where there’s a separation of church and state,’’ he said. "We didn’t lose; we were robbed.’’

    Did this guy even READ the constitution or the declaration of independence?

  • Section_Ei8ht
    • December 21, 2005 at 2:26 AM
    • #2

    i see intelligent design as a philosophy and philosophy is not a science.

  • kleinluka
    • December 21, 2005 at 3:16 AM
    • #3

    Smart judge... Intelligent design is stupid.

  • hazardous!
    • December 21, 2005 at 3:29 AM
    • #4

    As far as I am concerned, this 'Intelligent Design' crap is nothing but a counterpiece to the evolution-theory, made up by a bunch of 'Just for the sake of being against it'-fools.

    It's been there before, several times (e. g. creationism) and it had only one aim: being contrary to scientific theories and facts that object the bible.

    These people think that their oppinions and beliefs weigh more than the views of others, even more than scientifically proven facts.

    They have this idea that their religion is so cool that all other people should join it.

    Sure, religion has positive sides: many people can gain drive from it. But it still is nothing more than a hobby, something you do for yourself. You must not enforce your hobby upon others.

    Also these people tend to forget that there so many more religions, each of which has it's believers and even those who don't believe can be happy, can have hope and can lead a fulfilled life.

    Eventually, whoever says that intelligent design is a sience, should know what science is and then think again.

  • The Postman
    • December 21, 2005 at 3:57 PM
    • #5

    Hurrah! A great day for our nation!

  • guRu.be
    • December 22, 2005 at 1:07 PM
    • #6

    IT is creationism in its purest form.

    However this cannot be put aside nor neglected.

    Ever seen the paws of a feline?

    The battle between Science/Mathematics and Religions/Philosophies is eternal!

    The world AIN'T mathematics so something has got to give.

    Science is not infallible.

    GREAT LOL @ Big Bang theories and such.

    You scientists think people are backward?

    The truth is out there

  • Kosmo
    • December 22, 2005 at 1:28 PM
    • #7

    Welcome to the forums guru.be, I don't know what you mean by bawkward people or feline paws. But none the less, big bang and others are way more scientific than ID.

  • guRu.be
    • December 22, 2005 at 1:35 PM
    • #8

    Cheers kosmo.

    The U.S.S.R. quickly retreated in '40? '41?

    Hmm.

    Cats have the ability to employ their claws in situations where they are needed i.e. hunting situations or fights with other fellow felines.

    Backward means retarded or dumb bluntly.

  • Kosmo
    • December 22, 2005 at 3:43 PM
    • #9

    guru, either you are stoned or just really cryptic nby nature, you are not making any sense what so ever.

  • guRu.be
    • December 22, 2005 at 3:49 PM
    • #10

    I'm referring to ID. *Paws with claws that can be employed when needed*.

    Jesus. Check National Geographic. I ain't cryptic.

  • Kosmo
    • December 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM
    • #11

    Actually the retractable claws was the only part that I understood, the rest, like a different language.

    I mean, Soviet Union?

    Scientists think all people are retarded?

    This is political discussion, here we explain our opinions.

  • TomWithTheWeather
    • December 22, 2005 at 4:37 PM
    • #12
    Quote from guRu.be

    IT is creationism in its purest form.

    But I like IT. They got me a new mouse when my old one died.

    But seriously, yay science, boo ID.

  • RD
    • December 22, 2005 at 5:44 PM
    • #13

    what do the USSR and cat paws have to do with this?

  • Steppenwolf
    • December 22, 2005 at 6:47 PM
    • #14

    I'm glad that not only retards have something to say in the US of A.

  • ⌐■_■
    • December 23, 2005 at 9:26 AM
    • #15

    This discussion makes no sense imo. Plus, it's about damn time someone made a 'religious discussion' board!

  • jfas
    • December 26, 2005 at 5:49 PM
    • #16

    that would be redundant

  • mikezilla
    • December 26, 2005 at 8:17 PM
    • #17

    I'm not sure it would be redundant per say. But I do believe it wouldn't get a lot of use, and/or would become a forum of much flamery and eotage.

    (yes i just coined "eotage" as a word)

  • von*ferret
    • December 26, 2005 at 10:33 PM
    • #18

    postman and fletch seem to keep this board under countrol enough Just merge politics and religion like the dem's say the conservatives do1!!!

    jk

  • Kosmo
    • January 2, 2006 at 1:30 PM
    • #19

    Well, I think many of us think that politics and religion have nothing to do with each other, so religious discussion category would make sense, but then again, political and religious discussion have one thing in common. Both of them are based in opinions and not facts, so they most likely have a place in the same category.

    Maybe we should rename political discussion to jibba jabba.

  • DaanO
    • January 6, 2006 at 11:22 PM
    • #20

    As everything has been said already (I guess ID is interesting to discuss in religion class, it's simply not science so it should not be taught in any scientific institute or school), i would like you all to imagine a discussion between Nexus and Guru.be. Enjoy.

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