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The word of the day is "ridiculousity"

  • Kosmo
  • November 21, 2005 at 10:11 AM
  • Kosmo
    • November 22, 2005 at 8:44 AM
    • #21

    yeah, well I guess you can understand why China is pretty pissed by game developers because they still portray China as some thirdworld nuclear threat, or something.

    It was russians around decade ago, they did the same thing back then, banned books, movies and games that bashed the Russian way, the game and movie studios realized that they lost a major market there, and stopped it. Then it changed to China.

    And I'm fairly sure that if you make a game where Americans are presented as evil nuclear weapon toting terrorists with agenda of evil and world domination, I know one country that will surely ban the game.

    So, be objective on the matter, especially when it comes to games, China just has a Jack Thompson in charge of things.

    And as for files getting screened, well, I can bet you one million dollars that other countries do that aswell, check some images sent from public machines to other countries, world has changed, the terrorist threat is a great excuse to push down human rights. China is just weird that way, they openly do these sort of things, when other countries have secret services and such. You could actually get in close attenttion for your friendly neighbourhood secret service during cold war if you went to the library and took communist manifest and other Marxist books from there often enough. The same is now with bomb building, chemistry books and books about fanatical islamists (that is IF your local library didn't already burn them.)

    Terrorist threat, has gotten every country on their toes, and the recent game scandals have gotten alot of people more aware of "how dangerous" video games might be to their children - even if it is just propaganda.

  • FrieChamp
    • November 22, 2005 at 8:53 AM
    • #22

    Moved to political discussion.

  • Kosmo
    • November 22, 2005 at 9:26 AM
    • #23

    Yeah, this turned out political, when the intend was more satirical.

  • RD
    • November 22, 2005 at 11:52 AM
    • #24
    Quote from Kosmo

    yeah, well I guess you can understand why China is pretty pissed by game developers because they still portray China as some thirdworld nuclear threat, or something.It was russians around decade ago, they did the same thing back then, banned books, movies and games that bashed the Russian way, the game and movie studios realized that they lost a major market there, and stopped it. Then it changed to China.

    And I'm fairly sure that if you make a game where Americans are presented as evil nuclear weapon toting terrorists with agenda of evil and world domination, I know one country that will surely ban the game.

    Halflife: us marines wipe out black mesa :roll: Lotsa games have America portrayed as nuclear evil, none are banned.

    Anyways, you managed to make the connection between communist Russia, Jack Thompson and China, but apparently dont grasp what this means.

  • Kosmo
    • November 22, 2005 at 12:32 PM
    • #25
    Quote from RD

    Halflife: us marines wipe out black mesa :roll: Lotsa games have America portrayed as nuclear evil, none are banned.

    Anyways, you managed to make the connection between communist Russia, Jack Thompson and China, but apparently dont grasp what this means.

    Let me make a game where we rescue prisoners from guantanamo bay, drive American invading forces out of Iraq, defend Columbia against CIA and their war on drugs and assasinate the soldiers involved in planning the attack against the warlors in somalia and then say what isn't banned.

    Are you actually using as fictitious material as Half-Life as an example? My god, your grip on reality is pretty loose.

    I was wondering why USA didn't ban Aliens movie, they happened in future, had a big corporation and space aliens, I think the goverment should have been pretty pissed on that one.

    I'm fairly sure that there are some middle eastern games that portray Americans as the terrorists and invaders, let's publish those there and let's soo how long they stay on the shelf, IF they even get in the stores that is.

    Quote from RD

    Anyways, you managed to make the connection between communist Russia, Jack Thompson and China, but apparently dont grasp what this means.

    My head would explode if I even started to realise what you are talking about. Are you implying that Soviet Union, Jack Thompson and China are the same?

  • RD
    • November 22, 2005 at 2:08 PM
    • #26
    Quote from Kosmo

    Let me make a game where we rescue prisoners from guantanamo bay, drive American invading forces out of Iraq, defend Columbia against CIA and their war on drugs and assasinate the soldiers involved in planning the attack against the warlors in somalia and then say what isn't banned.

    Are you actually using as fictitious material as Half-Life as an example? My god, your grip on reality is pretty loose.

    Are there even such games about China? Most games are just as fictitious as halflife. Besides that you only assume they would get banned, which i doubt. Just look at movies or documentaries, theres plenty critisizing Guantanamo, Iraq, or whatever you can imagine. Theres hundreds of books and shows about 911 conspiracies, they dont need to be banned, people just dont want them. Most of the time ppl dont want to create such nefarious vile in the first place let alone sell it

    Quote from Kosmo

    My head would explode if I even started to realise what you are talking about. Are you implying that Soviet Union, Jack Thompson and China are the same?

    You said it yourself You cant have forgotten so fast...

    Quote

    It was russians around decade ago, they did the same thing back then

    Quote

    So, be objective on the matter, especially when it comes to games, China just has a Jack Thompson in charge of things.

    Anyways, im trying to be objective, but i dont see how Jack Thompson, Islamic dictators and the Soviet Union make Chinas censorship ok. Can you explain it

  • Kosmo
    • November 22, 2005 at 3:00 PM
    • #27
    Quote from RD

    Are there even such games about China? Most games are just as fictitious as halflife. Besides that you only assume they would get banned, which i doubt. Just look at movies or documentaries, theres plenty critisizing Guantanamo, Iraq, or whatever you can imagine. Theres hundreds of books and shows about 911 conspiracies, they dont need to be banned, people just dont want them. Most of the time ppl dont want to create such nefarious vile in the first place let alone sell it

    Well, to think of it, it mostly isn't the truth that hurts, but it's the image they create about Chinese, just like they created about Soviet Union back then. But I agree that banning games because "they might threaten the national unity" is just plain retard. But I still stand by what I said, it's not that long shot to get a game banned from USA either, the same goes with the rest of the world.

    Quote from RD

    My head would explode if I even started to realise what you are talking about. Are you implying that Soviet Union, Jack Thompson and China are the same?

    You said it yourself You cant have forgotten so fast...

    Oh, I'm glad that you explained what I ment with what I said to me. Where would I be without you. Gosh, I never thought that I compared SU, Jack and China with each other.

    Quote from RD

    Anyways, im trying to be objective, but i dont see how Jack Thompson, Islamic dictators and the Soviet Union make Chinas censorship ok. Can you explain it

    Do they make Chinas censorship ok? Again you just read what I type and twist it to your nefarious needs. Not once I said that it's ok. I said that maybe everything isn't as it seems.

    China is banning games because they see them very differently. Have you ever been to Japan for example? They don't piss on the street corner and throw garbage in to the streets, they don't draw graffiti on the trains and they don't badmouth each other, they keep those things in the privacy of their homes. So who the fuck are you to judge why they ban games? Maybe it's just that they might aswell have those games but like you said about those 911 documentaries "they dont need to be banned, people just dont want them."

    But it's ok, you are too wrapped to your own world that you think that everyone everywhere are just like you and they think, live and shit like you, look like you and like the same things as you.

    So, I'm just here to make sure that you actually ARE objective about it.

  • RD
    • November 22, 2005 at 6:15 PM
    • #28
    Quote from Kosmo

    Do they make Chinas censorship ok? Again you just read what I type and twist it to your nefarious needs. Not once I said that it's ok. I said that maybe everything isn't as it seems.

    China is banning games because they see them very differently. Have you ever been to Japan for example? They don't piss on the street corner and throw garbage in to the streets, they don't draw graffiti on the trains and they don't badmouth each other, they keep those things in the privacy of their homes. So who the fuck are you to judge why they ban games? Maybe it's just that they might aswell have those games but like you said about those 911 documentaries "they dont need to be banned, people just dont want them."

    But it's ok, you are too wrapped to your own world that you think that everyone everywhere are just like you and they think, live and shit like you, look like you and like the same things as you.

    So, I'm just here to make sure that you actually ARE objective about it.

    Japan is the absolute opposite of China. You can do anything there, even weirder stuff than in the US. They got sex motels

    Anyways, read over Fletch's posts again. Ppl get arrested, the chinese dont like censorship any more than anybody. Theyre not so alien that they dont like freedom or breath plasma.

  • Kosmo
    • November 22, 2005 at 7:48 PM
    • #29

    I know alot about Japanese culture and Laon culture, not that much about Chinese culture but I believe they are close to each other, I have learned alot about Daoism, Confucianism and Buddhism, the corner stones of Asian cultures, they define the culture even more so than Christianity does in Europe and my friend is studying Indology. So I know little something about Chinese/Asian cultures too.

    Just your comment on that Japan is the opposite of China shows how little you know.

    And yeah, people don't like to be controlled, nor arrested, but I don't go and assume things just because I don't do something that they don't do something. And culturally viewed, they are pretty alien compared to us. Japan might be little different since Americans basically shoved their culture down their throat at the end of WW2, effects of which can be seen even today.

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