My fault when she lies.

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Sorry about your HIV man, should have used a condom

Condoms are ineffective against HIV. The jacket has microscopic holes!!!! Kinda cold in here.

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have fun with that

No problemo.

You serious?

Yeah. What's wrong with some patience before you're married?

Nothing wrong with it, if its your choice, right on, but i certainly think one must test drive the car before buying it

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The 'no-sex-before-marriage' rule.

hahahahaha abstinence based sex ed works like a using a hammer and nails to hold down jello. Good luck with that.

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I agree with Captain P.I mean, he's not worrying about HIV or a not-so-planned-kid.

There are alot of other things in this world then just sex and moreover: I think it's cooler to save this (very intimate) thing for the one you (at least think) you really love.

'Cuz remember kids: sex is a wonderfull thing...

Someone's under 18.

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hahahahaha abstinence based sex ed works like a using a hammer and nails to hold down jello. Good luck with that.

Someone's under 18.

Nope.

The whole 'no sex before marriage' thing is ultimately flawed, what would you do if you'd married her, began the 'big night' movement and she has a cunt like a drainpipe or she has her ex-partners name tattooed all over her crotch area (I actually know someone who did that and she was a virgin.. bit odd) Of course I know you can do stuff without having actual intercourse but I think it's an absolute must to see your partner naked before agreeing to any marriage plans...

I think it's much more important to get to know her, her character, who she is, before marrying. After all, you should love her, not her body... sure, sex is a part of marriage and a very attractive part, but I'd rather stick to one person that I have sex with than having it with multiple persons. After all, it has a huge impact on a person, you don't forget it that easily and I wouldn't want my mind to wander off to other persons when I have sex with my wife. It'd be treachery towards my wife.

Besides... what's wrong keeping something valuable apart for the person you really love, and are willing to marry and stay with for the rest of your life?

I see multiple examples of people that did not have sex before marriage, and lead really good marriages.

To quote one of my mates; 'sleeping with one woman is like having one CD'

Seriously though, that's cool if you feel like that, I mean I'm a virgin myself at 21.. not out of choice however.. guess I haven't met the right girl yet? I always respect people who choose to wait for intercourse after marriage, even if I don't agree with it, it's impressive to see people stick to those morales in this day and age especially with the media shoving sex in your face front line and sinker!

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I think it's much more important to get to know her, her character, who she is, before marrying. After all, you should love her, not her body... sure, sex is a part of marriage and a very attractive part, but I'd rather stick to one person that I have sex with than having it with multiple persons. After all, it has a huge impact on a person, you don't forget it that easily and I wouldn't want my mind to wander off to other persons when I have sex with my wife. It'd be treachery towards my wife.Besides... what's wrong keeping something valuable apart for the person you really love, and are willing to marry and stay with for the rest of your life?

I see multiple examples of people that did not have sex before marriage, and lead really good marriages.

You can get to know someone's character and have sex with them. The two are not mutually exclusive. Hello logical fallacy!

PS: I see far many more examples of people who didn't wait until marriage and are thriving. Ironically enough the south and midwest of America (ie: the most religious) has the highest divorce rate per-capita in our entire nation. Wonder why that is...

A friend of mine had a roommate who was a very religious christian. His girlfriend wanted to have sex with him but he said no because he felt it wouldnt be the right thing to do as a christian and he wanted to wait until marriage. They ended up breaking up over it.

How stupid is that.

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A friend of mine had a roommate who was a very religious christian. His girlfriend wanted to have sex with him but he said no because he felt it wouldnt be the right thing to do as a christian and he wanted to wait until marriage. They ended up breaking up over it.How stupid is that.

More like how stupid is he.

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To quote one of my mates; 'sleeping with one woman is like having one CD' Seriously though, that's cool if you feel like that, I mean I'm a virgin myself at 21.. not out of choice however.. guess I haven't met the right girl yet? I always respect people who choose to wait for intercourse after marriage, even if I don't agree with it, it's impressive to see people stick to those morales in this day and age especially with the media shoving sex in your face front line and sinker!

Fun to read! In a respectful way.

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For Serious You can get to know someone's character and have sex with them. The two are not mutually exclusive. Hello logical fallacy!

Not mutually exclusive, but not bound together either. Hence why I said I think getting to know the character is more important than having sex. There's more than just one sentence in my post...

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A friend of mine had a roommate who was a very religious christian. His girlfriend wanted to have sex with him but he said no because he felt it wouldnt be the right thing to do as a christian and he wanted to wait until marriage. They ended up breaking up over it.How stupid is that.

Is it really that stupid? After all, if they don't agree on that, then they probably don't agree on a whole lot more subjects. I don't think it would've been an easy marriage then.

Oh, bytheway, being religious doesn't mean you're a christian. Christians are followers of Christ and not everyone who says he is one really is one. Too bad...

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More like how stupid is he.

Haha, damn straight.

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Not mutually exclusive, but not bound together either. Hence why I said I think getting to know the character is more important than having sex. There's more than just one sentence in my post...

I'd fervently disagree with you here. I think that sex is a large part of any relationship and is a great calculator of character as well. Knowing how outgoing, shy, generous, stingy, or how much hygiene can all be dictated during just one encounter. Not to mention that sex is a crucial part of any loving relationship, inside or outside of marriage. It's a connection point between two people that is both deeply intimate as well as a great show of love. Waiting for marriage is just a bygone tradition with its roots in puritanical nonsense. If you want to have a good relationship in marriage sex is a part of that and not knowing if your partner to be is a good match in that regard is certainly important.

GJ dodging all my other points though.

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Is it really that stupid? After all, if they don't agree on that, then they probably don't agree on a whole lot more subjects. I don't think it would've been an easy marriage then.

Yes it's really that stupid. He didn't care enough about her to be intimate with her. It was 100% his fault that relationship imploded.

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Oh, bytheway, being religious doesn't mean you're a christian. Christians are followers of Christ and not everyone who says he is one really is one. Too bad...

Hello cop-out answer! Start policing your own then. Cherry picking the retards from the bunch instead of owning up to your groups mistakes and misgivings is just patently dishonest.

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Dodging points? That sounds stingy... why the angry reaction?

Sex has a huge impact, and you take that with you in another relation if the first one didn't work out. In the second relation when having sex, you can't fully give yourself to that girl anymore. The third, same story. Sex has much more impact than talking to a girl, getting to know her. Nowadays people don't care and call me old-fashioned, but that doesn't change the situation. I want to keep this as a special thing I'd only give to the one I promise to stay true to untill death. It means paying a price for it, but is that wrong all of a sudden? If someone kept that special for you, wouldn't that feel much more special and precious than if she had done it with 4 others before?

I mean, you can get to know a girl without having sex... I think you're right when you say that sex tells a lot about a girl, but I also think you don't need it to get to know someone.

As for divorce ratio (I guess I dodged that? ), I don't live in America so I can't say a lot about that, but I do know God doesn't approve divorce. It's also written that 'not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven'. Hence why I said not everyone who says he's a christian really is one. Even God Himself says so, so why would that be a stupid remark?

And if you're saying that christians make mistakes... well, that's true. Those that are actually christians are still humans, and not everyone does an equally great job at serving God, but it's by grace that we live and we're saved by God because He loves us. That's asolutely no excuse to sin, in fact using it as an excuse would be throwing away what God has given us and actually rejecting Him again.

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In the second relation when having sex, you can't fully give yourself to that girl anymore.

I gotta hear this explained. I give myself fully to my steady girlfriend all the time and love her with all my heart. Shockingly enough we have a healthy sex life. Your point being...?

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And if you're saying that christians make mistakes... well, that's true. Those that are actually christians are still humans, and not everyone does an equally great job at serving God, but it's by grace that we live and we're saved by God because He loves us. That's asolutely no excuse to sin, in fact using it as an excuse would be throwing away what God has given us and actually rejecting Him again.

The Christians over here could take a lesson in humility. More often than not they treat themselves as "better" than everyone else. As for what you said about you knowing that God doesn't approve of divorce. I really really reeeeeeeally loathe it when people claim to know the mind of God, especially relating to something as banal as what covers for our own elaborate mating ritual.

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The Christians over here could take a lesson in humility. More often than not they treat themselves as "better" than everyone else. As for what you said about you knowing that God doesn't approve of divorce. I really really reeeeeeeally loathe it when people claim to know the mind of God, especially relating to something as banal as what covers for our own elaborate mating ritual.

thank you, posty. just... thank you.

I definedly agree that sex is a big part of knowing your mate, there are loads of stuff you can learn from her/him if you you listen or are not afraid to talk about, and talking about sex without having it is like beating yourself with a sandpaper.

And as for religion coming in the way of pre-marriage sex is something I'm totally against, if they deny something from themselfs just because some religion says so it's wrong, if they don't want to have sex before marriage but it doesn't have anything to do with religion then it's fine, atleast you made your own mind, maybe even weighted and tought about it a bit before making your mind, not just jumping to easy conclusions and letting some 2000 year old carpenter to live your life for you. Besides, it's just right to break up because of this, it just shows that you don't respect your mates opinions one bit if it overlaps with a fucking book, take a grip from reality.

Not to be crass here but I think the point should be made: sex takes a Goddamn lot of practice. If you're a newbie on your wedding night, there is no way you're coaxing your new wife to climax unless she does it herself. Is that any way to consummate a loving relationship? (helpful hint: this is IMPORTANT to women)