The Olympics Committee officially opens to eSport

"This definitely means no Counter-Strike or Overwatch and probably means no Dota2 or League of Legends."

I'm pretty sure that I won't see the "Olympics eSports".

Cant wait to watch some Olympic Solitaire.

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3 hours ago, dux said: Cant wait to watch some Olympic Solitaire.

Nah, we will see speed runs of Super Mario Bro.'s. Racing games maybe.

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2 hours ago, Sigma said: Nah, we will see speed runs of Super Mario Bro.'s. Racing games maybe.

Everything but what everyone wants to watch

I'm pretty sure when Mr Estanguet suggested exports, he was thinking about Lol-Dota-CS-starcraft.

Well at best you'd have seen r6 siege-overwatch-hearthstone-age of empire, but nothing else less popular

There is still a very real chance for "violent" video games in Olympics however. Keep in mind that many sports (e.g., archery, skeet shooting, bi-athlon, wrestling, boxing, etc . . .) are in-fact violent. It is a matter of application and acceptability though. The question becomes what constitutes too much violence for the mandated purposes of the Olympics (international cooperation and peaceful competition). I think what is likely to happen will be games with very high skill ceilings and excitement (e.g., RTS's like Starcraft or realistic racing games [although how this compares to actual racing I don't know]) and team games that are not overly-gorey (e.g., LoL or Dota) would be likely candidates whereas first person shooters are less likely to be approved by the committee due to their inherent "promotion" of violence (particularly those with high-gore/violence).

FIFA anyone?

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Maybe Valve will put a bit more work in to their low violence mode? IIRC at the moment 'dead' enemies lie down with their hands behind their heads and there's no blood. It's quite funny to watch really.

Or maybe the core needs to step up and create a non-violent tactical shooter that isn't silly day-glo splatoon-style paintball? Here, I'll throw a design in to the hat:

SUPER-DUPER-TAG-TEAM-TAGGING Team-based FPS, where guns shoot "tags" instead of bullets. Instead of killing or hurting the player, tags simply remain on their avatar accumulating points for the other team. Team-mates can de-tag each other simply by approaching their team-mate and holding "use" until the tags are gone. Once a tagged player accrues 100 points for the other team they're 'frozen' and can't shoot any more, until their team-mate fully de-tags them.

In amongst all the tagging there would be some sort of asymmetrical objective such as capture points or a one-flag CTF mode, to provide interesting map strategies and give us a reason to develop new maps for it.

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Now we just need to sell it to the Olympics for $£$£$£$£'s.

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1 hour ago, text_fish said: Maybe Valve will put a bit more work in to their low violence mode? IIRC at the moment 'dead' enemies lie down with their hands behind their heads and there's no blood. It's quite funny to watch really.

Or maybe the core needs to step up and create a non-violent tactical shooter that isn't silly day-glo splatoon-style paintball? Here, I'll throw a design in to the hat:

SUPER-DUPER-TAG-TEAM-TAGGING Team-based FPS, where guns shoot "tags" instead of bullets. Instead of killing or hurting the player, tags simply remain on their avatar accumulating points for the other team. Team-mates can de-tag each other simply by approaching their team-mate and holding "use" until the tags are gone. Once a tagged player accrues 100 points for the other team they're 'frozen' and can't shoot any more, until their team-mate fully de-tags them.

In amongst all the tagging there would be some sort of asymmetrical objective such as capture points or a one-flag CTF mode, to provide interesting map strategies and give us a reason to develop new maps for it.

The end

Now we just need to sell it to the Olympics for $£$£$£$£'s.

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You can do a paintball game, I was thinking about it. But you can do it as a police training mode or something like that, this way you can try to keep it serious

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45 minutes ago, laminutederire said: You can do a paintball game, I was thinking about it. But you can do it as a police training mode or something like that, this way you can try to keep it serious

I've always found paintball modes in FPS games to be quite silly and unsatisfying. It's difficult to link the concept of being hit by a bit of paint to any compelling narrative consequences. It's also something that could very easily just be incorporated to the Olympics in a non-video game form. I think for e-sports to get a real foothold in the Olympics they need to be able to offer something that a real-life version of the same game couldn't (at least safely).

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1 hour ago, text_fish said: I think for e-sports to get a real foothold in the Olympics they need to be able to offer something that a real-life version of the same game couldn't (at least safely).

Rocket jumping at olympics when

I think this is the stupidest shit ever. I'm all for video games and esports (not a fan myself but pls enjoy and hopefully esports will make profits not just revenues and excessive costs and I hope participants can have long, fulfilling careers and all that) but i have no desire to watch a fucking esport in the olympics (or ever, btw).

I'm having problems understanding who is pushing for this?

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1 hour ago, Pampers said: I'm having problems understanding who is pushing for this?

People organizing Paris games wanting to get a reasonably not too bankruptcy causing olympic games they want to find where is the money in a way.

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5 hours ago, Pampers said: I'm having problems understanding who is pushing for this?

Presumably people who enjoy watching esports and want to see it get more global recognition. I can't say I was one of the people pushing for it myself, but I have always longed for the day that I can walk in to a pub and watch a CSGO tournament on the screen, so if this helps raise esports' profile I think that's a good thing!

So it looks like eSport are still in the running for the Olympics but not if they are violent.

http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/es…violent-w500765

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18 minutes ago, blackdog said: That's the same news I posted in the opening of the topic, just from a different news outlet.

And no they are not in the running, by a far mile.

To be admitted to the Olympics you need to comply to the Olympics values, but most importantly you have to be an organised sport that means you have a global association the Olympics Committee can talk to. And this organisation needs to provide guarantees on matters like doping and gambling... the last bit alone can tell you how far we are to have the games we actually would want it the Olympics: there is a big push to regulate loot boxes under gambling laws, the debate is very open so I don't see how you can get a shooter in the Olympics, even if modded to be non-violent*, when they feature built-in "gambling" solutions. Also remember there were scandals regarding gambling/trading.

*I don't think that a paintball mod will make things easier as you still shoot another person, and in today's situation that seems wrong.

Also just days ago a CSGO player threatened the life of another at the most recent tournament... and he's allowed to participate in the next major tournament by switching to a new team. How's that good for sports values.

All this stuff screams disorganisation and shows there are no bases to see any time soon games at the Olympics.

Even if it was possible to get non-violent games in like say FIFA, I would argue why bother. Yes of course why when the football competition is happening with real players, but most importantly I don't think games with AI playing a part in the outcome of the game should be competitive at all. In this regard straight up shooters like CS or COD are much more suited because it's really player vs player and results are uncontestable.

In terms of who wants them in @text_fish that's a good question. I believe the committee itself simply took note of the giant following that there is now for e sports and they want to capitalise. I mean make money off of it.

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There is an e sport organization in France at least, maybe that'll be enough to start something in the right direction.

To be fair, the kng situation has many equivalents in sports features in the Olympic games. That type of situation is basically up to the fact that there is a lot of money involved. There have been occurrences of NBA players convicted for conjugal violence, sexual assault etc. There are games in basketball, football, etc where players hit each other on the playing field. (We all remember in France the occurrence of the head stroke during an international football competition in 2006 if I remember right, or the Ron Artest incident in NBA). There has been gambling in handball from many of the French team in their own handball club with something similar to the ibuypower situation, and the response from Valve was more radical than what happened to those guys who were just fined.

Oh and let's not forget the violence of trainers regarding athletes sometimes. That was the reason I quit professional prospects in sports a few years back.

I'm all for more equality and respect in e sports, but many of its flawscannot be used against them at the Olympics without a tint of irony and hypocrisy on the Olympics deciders part.