Quote from Sprony3 hours ago, Sprony said: Me, I'm Dutch and we don't care. We're being choked to death by the EU so we have other problems to worry about. I'm just saying, I get the uproar.
Nexit and strike a deal with May to make Bretherland great again! ?
The wall isn't so much an actual physical wall as a metaphor for tighter border security, there are parts which have a high fence reinforced with border guards, there are parts that just have a measly low fence anyone can get through and there are parts that have absolutely nothing at all. I've seen various documentaries about the situation, it's telling that pretty much all the border security guards are pro-Trump and that Mexican Americans that live next to the border are in favour of stopping people crossing over undocumented. You'll find those against such action are those who live miles from the border, who have probably never even seen it, the experience and viewpoint of the US immigration centre between someone in Arizona and Washington is vastly different.
When I said " I'm not an environmentalist ", I don't mean I don't care about it, of course I do, who doesn't want the environment to thrive and be healthy? I just don't really read into it, I stick with what I know or what interests me in geography, politics, history etc I leave the arguments about Global Warming/Climate Change to those with that knowledge. Trump wants to protect people's jobs in Coal Mining and help bring some of them back to areas where people are struggling, is that such a bad thing? In contrast, Clinton would rather just let people continue to lose their jobs and she's even been caught laughing about it! As Voronts said, in four years the Trump administration's opinions on Climate change can change. Btw, they didn't remove anything from the White house page, Obama's policies simply moved to 'obamawhitehouse.gov' in the immediate aftermath of Inauguration Day.
Quote from RaVaGe3 hours ago, RaVaGe said: You're basically saying that the 66 millions of people who voted for Clinton aren't important anymore and should therefore shut the fuck up for 4 years and accept their fates.
..well, isn't that pretty much what the Democrats said to Republican voters in 2008 and 2012? We all remember the butt hurt twitter feeds when Romney lost, it was hilarious. Now the shoe is on the other foot, the DNC and affiliated people are refusing to accept the loss.. White Supremacy! Russian hackers! Electoral college is bad! All Trump voters (including the women) are misogynists! All pointing the finger at every fucking other thing instead of learning and accepting from the shitty things they themselves did that ultimately got themselves shot in the face and foot in one epic self-pwn.
The fact that Clinton won the popular vote is irrelevant, I'm sorry but it is because that isn't how the president is elected. The USA is not a democracy, it is a constitutional Republic and the founders of said constitution produced the Electoral College as a way to ensure that all the states got a fair representation across the whole of the country. If the president was elected by popular vote, two things would happen:
a) The campaigning would be completely different.
b) The most populated Metropolitan areas would decide who was the president every time and impose their will over the rest of America. See this:
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Half of the population of the US lives in the blue areas, the grey counties would be completely forgotten! California and New York would elect a Democrat president every time!
The Electoral College is not a perfect system but it stops mob rule based on the above. If people really have so much of a problem with it, they can put forward ideas for a debate on constitutional amendment in Congress.
11 hours ago, (HP) said: Lol at people saying "We gotta give him a chance..."
I don't have to give him shit, and if it was up to me, he and his incompetent team would be inpeached today!
No you don't, you can just continue to moan about it for the next 4 years and insist that your position on the matter is the correct one and anyone who disagrees is X, Y and Z.. which will solve absolutely nothing. Btw.. Impeachment is a process in the US, a president can be impeached and still be president whilst the case is handled. Bill Clinton was impeached in 1998 and acquitted 2 months later. The president can only be impeached if they do something criminal in breach of the constitution whilst in office, anything prior to that cannot be used as a case against him.
Quote from D3ads2 hours ago, D3ads said: Trump wants to protect people's jobs in Coal Mining and help bring some of them back to areas where people are struggling, is that such a bad thing?
Yes. There were loads of protests in Italy when they closed a copper mine but hey, if the business is losing money makes no sense to keep it going just because of jobs. Also is just bad business, in the sense that you are just prolonging the life of fossil energy. And probably miners are much inclined to lung diseases etc, so they would then find themselves in a very expensive healthcare and, to cut it short, live shitty.
Surely it is possible to employ them elsewhere.
Yeah I know, I'm not the one who's losing the job so it is easy to talk, but is not like I have my life sorted or anything. I just know I very unlikely get a pension and that they are dismantling the NHS so UK will have the same shite the US has.
The world doesn't need the production the same way of the 18th century, instead of painfully prolonging the agony is better to offer alternatives. Is tough, yeah. Well he's the one who decided to run for president.
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nah racism sexism and xenophobia don't exist, especially on this site whose discord channel regularly shares white supremacy memes (or at least did before i peaced the fuck out) and we had to ban an actual white supremacist somewhat recently ?
trump visited my university at one point close to the election (once hillary thought she won the midwest, but we saw what happened :/), students of color were literally told to go to class at their own risk. meanwhile, the crowd was telling those students to go back to where they came from, but w/e racism doesn't exist. of course, sexism and xenophobia also don't exist, after all our new president told us he sexually assaults women, as well as telling us mexicans are rapists 
The white supremacist you're talking about isn't even white, and he's a massive troll. The discord is not the official discord of this site, just a place where people from here can hang out if they do have discord, if you have a problem with offensive jokes or people suggesting views that you do not agree with that's your problem, none of the admins or mods there want to police or censor people unless it crosses the line and the barebone rules in place.
Man people like you put me in a position to defend Trump which I would rather not do but you are blatantly skewing everything to fit what you're shipping so guess I have no choice.
Quote from DrywallDreams27 minutes ago, DrywallDreams said: students of color were literally told to go to class at their own risk.
They may get triggered or their feelings hurt, but I'm sure this warning was more about the group of students who were shouting hateful shit like send them back, in which case fair enough.
Quote from DrywallDreams27 minutes ago, DrywallDreams said: meanwhile, the crowd was telling those students to go back to where they came from, but w/e racism doesn't exist.
Nobody says racism doesn't exist, rather than the fact that it's an overplayed card and the entire term is open to interpretation of each person, as for a small group of teenage students doing what teenagers do best, I don't see how they represent me, my opinion or millions of other people. Guilt by association does not work, there are all types of disgusting people endorsing either candidate.
Quote from DrywallDreams27 minutes ago, DrywallDreams said: president told us he sexually assaults women
When did he do this? 11 years ago on a tape where two men were having a private conversation about women? The fact that he gets scolded for this is absurd, I'm sure both you and me have said things much worse than GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY XDD
Quote from DrywallDreams27 minutes ago, DrywallDreams said: as well as telling us mexicans are rapists
You're saying it as if he declared all of Mexicans rapists, which he didn't more so than say not all people crossing the border are good people. If you ever saw what goes down at the border and around it you would change your opinion real quick, not only would you change your opinion but you would probably want a bigger wall and stricter border control than Trump does. It's very messy down there and not pretty at all, it's actually horrifying in a lot of cases and if you ask any of the people working with border control they would tell you the same thing based on experience and not based on ideology.
Adding onto that, that's the reason why the overwhelming majority of people working in any type of national security so to say, like military, border control, police, support Trump. It's because they don't live in the same bubble as more common folks do, their illusions are quickly shattered by the reality of things and that's the fastest way to realize things are not as black and white as everyone makes them out to be.
Quote from Vorontsov2 hours ago, Vorontsov said: The white supremacist you're talking about isn't even white, and he's a massive troll. The discord is not the official discord of this site, just a place where people from here can hang out if they do have discord, if you have a problem with offensive jokes or people suggesting views that you do not agree with that's your problem, none of the admins or mods there want to police or censor people unless it crosses the line and the barebone rules in place.
Man people like you put me in a position to defend Trump which I would rather not do but you are blatantly skewing everything to fit what you're shipping so guess I have no choice.
oh those silly nazis, what scamps
hate is hate, to brush it off as a joke, or as "trolling" is wrong. ask yourself why someone may find those jokes funny. it's usually (if not always) because of one's hateful views.
you're also right that I do have a problem with people suggesting views that I don't agree with, those views just happen to be racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc. views. weird
so if white supremacy is okay in there, what exactly crosses the line?
Quote from Vorontsov3 hours ago, Vorontsov said: They may get triggered or their feelings hurt, but I'm sure this warning was more about the group of students who were shouting hateful shit like send them back, in which case fair enough.
Nobody says racism doesn't exist, rather than the fact that it's an overplayed card and the entire term is open to interpretation of each person, as for a small group of teenage students doing what teenagers do best, I don't see how they represent me, my opinion or millions of other people. Guilt by association does not work, there are all types of disgusting people endorsing either candidate.
It wasn't students spouting hate, the crowd was largely made of middle-aged adults. by brushing off hate, you allow them to represent you. I have yet to see you actually denounce hate, only defend it.
Quote from Vorontsov2 hours ago, Vorontsov said: When did he do this? 11 years ago on a tape where two men were having a private conversation about women? The fact that he gets scolded for this is absurd, I'm sure both you and me have said things much worse than GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY XDD
the motherfucker was wearing a lapel mic. I may have said worse when I was 12, but I've grown up since then, and have rejected hateful views. Trump wasn't a 12 year old when that was recorded. adults should know better.
Quote from Vorontsov3 hours ago, Vorontsov said: Adding onto that, that's the reason why the overwhelming majority of people working in any type of national security so to say, like military, border control, police, support Trump. It's because they don't live in the same bubble as more common folks do, their illusions are quickly shattered by the reality of things and that's the fastest way to realize things are not as black and white as everyone makes them out to be.
I would appreciate if you could give any statistics for this, though a certain occupation doesn't make one infallible. I live in a state where that was proven over the summer, when an innocent black man was shot and killed by an officer after being pulled over. In fact, many argue that this is a larger problem with the police as a whole.
UH-OH, I opened the thread again. 
Quote from Vorontsov10 hours ago, Vorontsov said: I'm sure both you and me have said things much worse than GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY XDD
I'd just like to say, I've seen the above "justification" ad nauseam from Trump apologists, and it never ceases to amuse me that people actually think that "Well I'm a sexist asshole sometimes so it's okay for the president of the world's most powerful country to be a sexist asshole" is a good argument. The sad reality is, it works in reverse too so future sexist assholes will say "Well the president of the world's most powerful country is a sexist asshole so it's okay for me to be a sexist asshole too! 
". With that in mind, I would just like to make my opinion abundantly clear, that it's never okay to be a sexist asshole.
The mapcore discord now adheres to the same ruleset as the mainsite.
@text_fish I didn't imply me or Drywall were sexist assholes, just that we have all said some things, and my point still stands you have probably said things much worse, regretted them and not gotten into this amount of 'trouble' for it. How much times does Trump have to apologize for something so trivial that he did 11 fucking years ago? There are real issues at hand.
@DrywallDreams If you believe our humble small discord hangout is a platform for white supremacy, then lmao by all means stay away mate.
White supremacy is never okay.
I find it quite funny that a lot of people on the 'alt right' say that they disavow racist comments but also give platform to absolute cunts like Richard Spencer. Gotta make up your minds fellas.
It seems as though the Dutch have replied
It starts at 0:40 seconds.
I fucking love the dutch language! 
Great video, I actually understood bits here and there due to speaking the Swedish language and speaking some shitty German, if you could call it speaking
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Quote from D3ads23 hours ago, D3ads said: Meanwhile at the DNC:
...still not getting it, look forward to Trump winning his second term in 2020 if you keep peddling this bullshit...External Content www.youtube.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.
It's an important point that she makes, but you're right in that she does not get why the Dem.'s continue losing. When you cede an entire demographic to your opponent and do not speak directly to them and their concerns, of course they will go to the person(s) who are speaking to them.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat…st_day_yet.html
YAY!~!!!!~!~!@~!@!~@!~@!~
He's actually going to try to do all that batshit crazy garbage he's vomited forth for the past year(s)!!
I wish he'd go back to just tweeting obnoxious shit.
We now live in a world where NASA needs to create a separate twitter account because Trump's administration is censoring science. This isn't fiction guys, this isn't a joke, this is happening right here, right now in 2017, take a few seconds pause and let this sink in for a bit. This administration is also trying to censor National Park's voices, and non surprisingly Trump also institutes a media blackout at the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).
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