POTUS 2016

Quote from Bastion

11 hours ago, Bastion said: Still, even if in the weirdest change of events where the recount shuts down Trump. The democratic party still needs to never forget why we've been losing public support. Probably the biggest part of that lesson is that while it's great to campaign for equal rights for minorities and LGBT, don't leave everyone else behind in that rush.

They haven't even done that. There's been a bunch of disgusting bullshit from rich white democrats basically saying "Ugh, I can't believe I pretended to support you fags!" and blaming marginalized people for the loss, instead of the DNC and Clinton campaign shitting the bed. They apparently had this "algorithm" telling them where and how to spend money to best win the election, and it was telling them to do shit like "Completely ignore the state of Wisconsin, and instead put all your time into courting moderate Republicans in already "blue" states". They won rich Republican strongholds in Democratic controlled states for the first time since the 80s, like Orange County, CA, Stanton Island, NYC, Fairfax, VA, etc, but CA, NY, and VA all were Democratic states ANYWAY, and electoral college votes are distributed "winner take all". Getting 60% of a state gets you nothing extra over 50% +1 of a state.

Meanwhile, they assumed everyone who typically votes for them would, which was an incredibly stupid assumption, as seven million people who showed up to vote for Obama in the last two elections stayed home this year, and we had the lowest overall voter turnout in 20 years. Trump got basically the same number of votes as Mitt Romney did in 2012. The Clinton campaign just completely lost their base, chasing after shitty suburban white people. And now, a bunch of assholes are in the media claiming the loss was because poor white people are racist and hate gay and trans people. That might be true, but also poor white people (just like everyone of every group below median income in the US) still voted more for Clinton anyway. It was middle class suburban white people who voted for Trump, in the right places to give him the lion's share of the "electoral votes" of this stupid system set up originally to let slave owners vote on behalf of their slaves (seriously).

Also, our voting machines are extremely vulnerable. It's been proven for over a decade people could just hack our elections, from multiple researchers, and we haven't done anything about it, because anyone who suggests the possibility is shouted down as a wackjob. Paper ballots would mean cable news couldn't have election night results, because counting would take longer! Buying new machines would cost money! Our media narrative, just like our system, is fucking stupid at every level.

While Trump is a terrible existential threat to almost everyone I know (literally, not figuratively like for rich assholes writing op-eds in the New York Times, we're actually dependent on things like government health care and the cops preventing instead of encouraging pogroms), I kinda would rather he not have this yanked out from under him. The public reaction amongst his supporters (<20% of the country, but enough to fuck shit up) would be extremely violent, and for the rest of the people the relief at avoiding Trump would make them less likely to fight Clinton than if she'd just won outright in the first place.

Quick update on the Jill Stein situation (for context if you don't know, she is trying to raise funds for recounts in specific battleground states)

She has raised enough funds for at least one state and it seems the state that will be chosen is Wisconsin. Which had a tight poll result of only a 1% difference. However the state has only 10 electoral votes to it's name, not enough to swing the election in Clinton's favour, but if the recount is in favour of Hillary, expect a upset on both sides.

Can we get a revote on the treaty of rome while we're at it please

If Clinton won no one would be pushing so hard for a recount. Stop bitching and suck it up. Democracy happened.

Quote from dux

1 hour ago, dux said: If Clinton won no one would be pushing so hard for a recount. Stop bitching and suck it up. Democracy happened.

Lol no matter what your opinion on the players, there's no way you can call the game "democracy".

If the electoral dudes somehow flip their votes there will be a civil war. As far as I'm concerned they're pushing "electric voting machines hacked - the work of RUSSIAN HACKERS", but Michigan uses paper ballots, what excuse could they find there?

"Oh it turns out we just found millions of paper votes cast to Hillary Clinton - all bundled up in an empty warehouse!"

It's not the first time Stein has been behind a recount, she had one done back in 2004's election as well with no change in the end result. This one could well be no different.

Quote from dux

2 hours ago, dux said: If Clinton won no one would be pushing so hard for a recount. Stop bitching and suck it up. Democracy happened.

Fair on the first point sure, but I'm not sure if I would consider democracy to have properly happened if a important number of votes were missed, and just potentially ignored with a 'fuck you got mine' attitude from the winners.

edit: scratch the first part of that argument as well actually, bit hard for me to agree after remembering that Trump was not going to accept the vote if he lost anyway, at least that's what he has said leading up to the election day.

Quote from D3ads

On 11/3/2016 at 0:16 AM, D3ads said: Ok last time we tried this, it got too political and bitchy so let's keep it humourous and newsworthy this time, no fighting!

Lmao

Quote from Vorontsov

On 11/25/2016 at 11:43 AM, Vorontsov said: If the electoral dudes somehow flip their votes there will be a civil war. As far as I'm concerned they're pushing "electric voting machines hacked - the work of RUSSIAN HACKERS", but Michigan uses paper ballots, what excuse could they find there?

"Oh it turns out we just found millions of paper votes cast to Hillary Clinton - all bundled up in an empty warehouse!"

These two things aren't really related. The electors, who, again, only exist to empower SLAVEOWNERS, can vote for whomever they like in most states, but are party affiliated and thus probably won't. Also, the states weren't pulled one way or another by millions of votes, but by thousands. The results ARE within the statistical probability of fuckups tilting the results.

Also Clinton got nearly two million more votes (with still some places not finished counting the absentee ballots). Call this crap what you want, but it isn't democracy, because if it was, NEITHER would count as winners, because the closest thing we have to a vote of no contest in America is abstaining, and abstaining beat them both by a fucking mile:

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Quote from D3ads

11 hours ago, D3ads said: Hahaha, Jill is laughing all the way to the bank!

It looks like she's basically getting funding together for her next campaign! Her site has supposed volunteer names for the state recounts in each county listed, many names are obviously just trolls such as "Sit on my face" "Mickey Mouse" "Vladimir Putin" "Hillary for Prison"

Anyhow, Hillary's lawyers have apparently endorsed recounts in the 3 states Stein proposed. However, in order to somehow become president she has to pretty much win all the states, which is possible but very very unlikely if you look at the figures. Michigan has already done another recount and Trump's lead narrowed from 13,107 to 10,704 votes ahead, but he still carries the state. In pennsylvania he is currently ahead by 70,000 votes, in Wisconsin it's 22,000 votes. Unless all those votes are somehow invalidated, she still can't win...

If Jill Stein were the type to rip people off, she'd be a Democrat. The states have already confirmed she's paid the filing fees for recounts.

So far, Trump has picked:

1. For Attorney General someone (Jeff Sessions) who’s against the Voting Rights Act,

2. For Secretary of Education someone (Betsy DeVos) who’s against public schools,

3. For Secretary of Health and Human Services, someone (Tom Price) who’s against public health insurance,

And is considering

4. For Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, someone (Ben Carson) who’s against the Fair Housing Act,

5. For Secretary of State, someone (Rudi Giuliani) who’s among the most undiplomatic people in America.

You know what, it sucks for you guys but I've done a 180 and I'm really glad he won. He's been very entertaining and not a day went by without him acting stupid or outrageous. It's been good fun so far, but if he keeps this up and no one puts a leash on him, you guys are fucked.

I'll have to wait and see how the 4 years go first before judging his questionable decisions

Quote from Sprony

3 hours ago, Sprony said: You know what, it sucks for you guys but I've done a 180 and I'm really glad he won. He's been very entertaining and not a day went by without him acting stupid or outrageous. It's been good fun so far, but if he keeps this up and no one puts a leash on him, you guys are fucked.

You got your own Trumps over there in Europe though, better watch out

Quote from Jetsetlemming

1 hour ago, Jetsetlemming said: You got your own Trumps over there in Europe though, better watch out

Except they're legit scary and not entertaining at all

I don't know what kind of doomsday scenario you guys have in your head but it ain't gonna happend

Quote from Vorontsov

16 minutes ago, Vorontsov said: I don't know what kind of doomsday scenario you guys have in your head but it ain't gonna happend

Our president-elect just praised Manila's death squads as good for cleaning up drugs, seriously risked fucking up US China relations with his loose words on Taiwan, bragged about saving jobs by bribing a company hundreds of millions of dollars to save 800 jobs as they outsource 1400 more, listens to whatever the latest fucking whackjob asshole who thinks the government shouldn't exist tells him, and he fucking scotch tapes his tie together instead of using a clip.

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How does this look like anything but an apocalypse to you?

Also, you know, the ice caps are still melting and the earth is rapidly heating as we continue to "drill baby, drill" our way into having the entire West Coast past the Colorado River become uninhabitable and the entire Gulf Coast become a giant swamp, and most of the rest of the country returning to being a dustbowl like it was a century ago.