de_caspian [WIP]

Feels like it's huge with no real need to get middle control?

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1 hour ago, Panda said: I think I have an idea to give more incentive to take mid but can you tell me which areas are too big?

The map in general

Some problems I've found while playtesting your map with @madsenfk

1. The stairs, no playerclips. Please
2. As @Drakeee said. it does not seem to be worth the effort to take mid control.
3. The vents are really akward... I suggest making it so that you don't have to crouch through them and make it so that you don't have to jump up the 3 boxes. (Just make it a ramp or something)
4. When coming into A as a T (at the catwalk bit with the door) I feel very unsafe. Maybe add more cover there.
5. When coming into A as a T there are a lot of spots to check:

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Those are 6 spots

6. Also coming up to the catwalk bit at A (as seen in the spoiler above) as a CT is really akward. Maybe make it some kind of ramp...
7. Rotation times. (around 17 seconds)
8. The layout itself. My suggestion for changes to the alyout:

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1. Remove this so it is worth taking mid control.
2. Shorten these parts so the rotation times would be at least a little shorter
3. Make the spawns smaller (especially T spawn)
4. Making the map overall even less blocky
5. Personally I do not see the point in this part, no real 'important' place. I suggest you remove it

9. This map doesn't have any 'unique' aspects. That's why most people wouldn't play it, keep that in mind.

Overall this map has potential, layout needs A LOT of work.

~ Klassic

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Just now, Panda said: Thanks a lot for your feedback!

I completely agree with the mid suggestion, I will remove number 1 in the vent path. The reason I made T spawn so big was because the timings for mid were very tight with CT, but I guess if I remove number 5 it will fix that. But I'm concerned about having to walk back on yourself to get to mid.

I will try to attempt all the changes you have suggested, may take a while... especially the clipping on stairs /emoticons/tongue@2x.png 2x" title=":P" width="15"> Hopefully I will have an update out by tomorrow for you guys to look at.

Cool!

looking forward to it /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" title=":D" width="15">

Also what I just noticed while I was looking at the screenshots again is that the lighting is very dark. Is this because it is set in night or not?

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1 minute ago, Panda said: I was going for dusk but I think I will just make it day - lighter and less blue.

Could be good

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1 hour ago, Klassic said:

But wait, if 1 and 5 are removed, how do Ts get into mid /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" title=":D" width="15"> ?

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5 minutes ago, Freaky_Banana said: But wait, if 1 and 5 are removed, how do Ts get into mid /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" title=":D" width="15"> ?

Not removed, more like changed?
I kind of said that in a wrong way /emoticons/tongue@2x.png 2x" title=":P" width="15">

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Just now, Panda said: Haha, the bottom 5 /emoticons/tongue@2x.png 2x" title=":P" width="15"> When I make it itwill be more clear

OK, we'll see how it turns out /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" title=":D" width="15"> !

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1 minute ago, Panda said: What would be a 'unique' feature in terms of the layout?

Don't say something different /emoticons/smile@2x.png 2x" title=":)" width="15">

something different

Most maps created on the workshop are basically 'Dust III'. So things like: "Back of site" or "Dropdown"' are 'unique' ideas.
Some examples of 'unique' layout design:

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de_mutrah (The window at B site)
SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION

de_vertgo (2 FULL layers)

de_train (the sights are REALLY close to each other)

cs_agency (multi layer layout)

Are those good examples? /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" title=";)" width="15">

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2 minutes ago, Panda said: So not generic, Do you think environments like the new nuke is unique? I will try to add in some interesting areas, another example is de_crown but thats a bit extreme.

Hmmm... if you execute the style well it will look great. I do suggest having a 'twist'. So it'll look more attractive. Look at de_contract (and yes i know you know that map shut up) /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" title=":D" width="15"> or look at the prototype style of de_climate:

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They seem to have a really nice execute of the modern style

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2 minutes ago, Panda said: I think I will have a look at de_climate, the screenshot looks really nice.

Don't be fooled by the screenshots! Just kidding. pretty good map. The style itself hasn't been applied to the map yet though, still blockout.

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2 minutes ago, Panda said: I was thinking of doing a water station facility thing near the caspian sea in Russia. That was my initial idea.

Sounds nice! but i don't think there are a lot of stock props for water stuff... might need to find some custom props or even make them your own