[WIP] De_Wulfe

    Getting a measly amount of downloads and no feedback has just inspired me to double down and keep working on this until it starts turning some heads. Gonna upload an update to the workshop soon, stay tuned!

    Hey, I just wanted to give you my thoughts on this: I have had a long run around the map and gathered some pictures. So here we go! /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="15">


    General feedback:

    I would suggest to do a greybox of this stage of the map. It lets you concentrate much more on gameplay. You can work the visuals out later /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":)" width="15"> . I would stick with the look of T to A though, it's cool /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":)" width="15"> !

    I hope this helps! Cheers!

    PS: I somehow can't get rid of these two pictures 8|


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    Thanks for the feedback! I'll run through it all now.


    The gate being black: Yeah, I have no idea what's up with that. For some reason, I can't get it to display properly. It's supposed to be the gate from Assault, but it isn't working. :/

    Sew the displacements: Done that in the latest build. Thank you!

    Block sticking out: Fixed in the latest build. Thank you!

    Theming: Yeah, the theming started off with a clear-cut idea, but quite rapidly disintergrated into a mess. It was supposed to be an industrial city, with a warehouse taking up all of CT (hence the theming of A), but right now it's very bodged.

    Too many different textures: What do you recommend for that? I quite personally like all them textures.

    B Site: Yeah, I need to completely re-do everything about this, apart from the bomb site. Getting into the bomb site does not have adequate cover, the theming's off, and it just make sense considering the rest of the map.

    Water Tower: That's supposed to be a landmark point so that everyone on the map can have a rough approximation of where they are. I was considering replacing that area with a mill of some kind, with a chimney coming out the top as the landmark instead.

    "Those": They are supposed to be the company's logo - as you noticed, there's another set of them in a different colour at B Site, too. Removing them is optional.

    Gameplay:

    Small Fence: Removed. It served it's purpose in an earlier build of the map, but is no longer needed. Thank you!

    Vent Thingy: Removed. It served it's purpose in an earlier build of the map, but is no longer needed. Thank you!

    Small Pebble: Yes, that's supposed to be walkable. Gives T's more of a chance to get an opening on Mid, other than the coverless sniper box at the back of mid.

    Glass Texture: Fixed, and replaced with a glass texture from the new Nuke. Thank you!

    What you liked (yaaay!):

    The entire T Side area to A: The layout's the same, but the Trash area's been moved further back and a bit more detail's been added in the later build. The weird curved wall's been removed for now - might get replaced with a custom prop sometime in the future, but for now it just looks messy, so I stuck a generic-ass warehouse in it's place. The reason for this is to remove a massive sniper line that ran all the way from T Spawn to A Site. I also modified T Spawn so that it was inside a shed. Thank you very much! /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="15">

    Mid Sightline: That area's been edited very slightly so as to provide some cover, and to make jumping back over the fence easier. Again, thanks! /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="15">

    Cool Jump: Yeaaaah! Someone finally acknowledges that jump! Thank youuuu! /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="15">

    One-way drops: The route which is now fenced off from T Spawn to Mid was originally open, as was the weird drop-down point before entering A Site. Those two could be edited, perhaps? The one at CT Sniper Box, the Dropdown into B, and the main Drop into A - those can't be altered. Anyway, thanks again!

    A Garage: That whole garage is supposed to be a big ol' comfy space. You can actually save your weapons from the bomb in there, if you plant at the other side of the site, hide right at the very back of garage, and have a lot of health.


    Thank you very much for all of it! Sorry about this being very "wall of text"-y... I'll have an update out for this map in the next few days. Thanks for playing!!!

    Quote from Shima33

    17 minutes ago, Shima33 said: The gate being black: Yeah, I have no idea what's up with that. For some reason, I can't get it to display properly. It's supposed to be the gate from Assault, but it isn't working. :/

    Theming: Yeah, the theming started off with a clear-cut idea, but quite rapidly disintergrated into a mess. It was supposed to be an industrial city, with a warehouse taking up all of CT (hence the theming of A), but right now it's very bodged.

    Too many different textures: What do you recommend for that? I quite personally like all them textures.

    Water Tower: That's supposed to be a landmark point so that everyone on the map can have a rough approximation of where they are. I was considering replacing that area with a mill of some kind, with a chimney coming out the top as the landmark instead.

    "Those": They are supposed to be the company's logo - as you noticed, there's another set of them in a different colour at B Site, too. Removing them is optional.

    For the gate maybe try putting an info_lighting entity down? (Google it, there's good videos for how to use them)

    Theming: Well get back to that clearcut idea then /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="15"> !

    I personally wouldn't use white brick textures outside. Maybe just stick to the classic plaster or metal.

    Concerning the landmark: Go for the chimney /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="15"> ! It would 100 % fit the theme (but then remember that there shouldn't be an appartment below that, so maybe move it a bit further towards the B site.

    I would remove the logo for now, it was rather distracting imho. Things as bright as that in an otherwise rather sombre map just attract the eye and therefore take focus away, distracting from the actual gameplay.

    I would just remove the second route to the main T dropdown into A (but please leave that staircase, it jus looks so good /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="15"> ! I found the dropdown into B a rather inefficient route to take for any team. You didn't really have any chance to scan the area below before dropping and after dropping you had to check two different directions. To make the dropdown more viable, lower the height of the dropdown (so noone can look into B from there) and then make it a bit like the dropper in cobblestone, meaning that you can scan the area a bit but not entirely before dropping and making the spots you have to check after dropping being sweepable in one fluid movement (optimally have them in the same sightwindow).

    That with the garage is a cool little trick /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="15"> .

    I liked testing the map and giving feedback, it's what we do here on MapCore. No problem with walls of text btw /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="15"> . I'm looking forward to the update.

    Cheers! /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":)" width="15">

    Quote from Shima33

    9 hours ago, Shima33 said: Not sure what to do with the radar for this map. Will it need a multi-levelled radar, or will the single picture suffice?

    Well a multilevelled radar could provide useful for CT sniper window, since it overlaps with lower CT mid. But Since that's a rather small area, I think for now a single image radar should be sufficient.

    Try to make it look cleaner than the one you have though. Make all roofs and stuff around the actual map nodraw, so we can see the floor of every path. That would provide the player with a better overview of where he is and where he has to watch.

    Looks like a mush of different texture sets. you need a clear theme/vision for the map and build using only that. 'A bit of this and a bit of that' will never give good results


    The outside is really gloomy too. I would add more light entities to add depth.

    Finally uploaded the update for this map! An awful lot of stuff has changed to the point where makinga list of everything wouls stretch on and on - instead, here's a few screenshots. Feel free to run around it yourself, too!

    Office hasn't changed much, but I really like the look of this angle. Probably the best looking part of the map thus far.

    The new mill area, replacing where the apartments used to be before. It's also bigger, and expands slightly onto B.

    Underneath the new mill, at dropdown. All of the crates back there are inaccessible, but behind you is a newly revamped dropdown that I forgot to screenshot.

    A little bit of decoration I worked on at CT because I was bored. Somehow looks better than about half of the map.

    An overview of the new mill area from mid, showing how it's more open for CT's, and larger in general.


    I also did the following:

    Color Correction

    Reworked every displacement

    Redid a few textures

    Screamed a little

    Removed a few annoying parts

    Listened to feedback

    Hated that everybody's map looks better than mine

    Replaced the Trash area in the middle of T to A with an inaccessible warehouse

    Thought about replacing B Bombsite with an in-construction area (going to do that in the next update)

    Drank a lot of cider

    Made a much better radar image (seriously proud of the radar, looks really good)

    Placed T spawn inside a shed

    Stayed up until 9 in the morning trying to get the mill area looking decent

    Reworked dropdown

    Screamed a lot

    Added more Beginner's Guide references

    Added more detail to the non-playable areas of the map, to make it feel more alive

    Fixed the Assault Door at CT Spawn

    Screamed way too much

    and removed the chainlink fence and weird run-up spot at B.


    I hope you all enjoy the latest version! I'm submitting this version for playtesting - see you all there! As always, feedback, opinions and ideas are much appreciated.

    Quote from Shima33

    22 minutes ago, Shima33 said: Just being doing some practice with advanced brushwork... Am I going too far with this?

    Are you sure the game wont just reject that? Surely there has to be a microbrush in there somewhere.

    Quote from Plat

    10 minutes ago, Plat said: Are you sure the game wont just reject that? Surely there has to be a microbrush in there somewhere.

    Actually, no - mainly because I've enlarged the brush since then.


    However, I did continue messing around, and somehow came out with this-

    Let me know when stopping is an option.

    Quote from Shima33

    1 hour ago, Shima33 said: Actually, no - mainly because I've enlarged the brush since then.


    However, I did continue messing around, and somehow came out with this-

    Let me know when stopping is an option.

    Very fancy. And it works in game with no issues?

    Quote from Shima33

    1 minute ago, Shima33 said: Suprisingly, yes.

    Impressive. Hammer always struggles with complex brush shapes. Could I get an ingame screenshot of it? perhaps give it a stoney texture.

    Quote from Plat

    30 minutes ago, Plat said: Impressive. Hammer always struggles with complex brush shapes. Could I get an ingame screenshot of it? perhaps give it a stoney texture.

    Sure thing, here it is-

    Quote from Freaky_Banana

    5 hours ago, Freaky_Banana said: Is this the new logo ?

    Henh, I wish. I was just messing around for the fun of it all. Besides, the logo has a floral style to it, and the map isn't all that floral.

    I've finally thought of an aesthetic for this map, one that would work as well as be unique - a nightclub!

    Here are the ideas for Club Wulfe so far:

    Change B site to be an outdoor garden,

    A site can be a dancefloor

    All of CT can be a dancefloor too

    Mill is a corner shop?

    Boss Office is a toilet

    CT warehouse is a VIP room

    vending machines are a DJ Deck

    A Dropdown is a DJ Deck

    Regular Office is a Bar


    Let me know what you think of this idea, as well as anything you imagine working with this aesthetic!

    (There's gonna be layout changes to accomodate the aesthetic change, too - I'll post them at a later date.)

    Quote from Shima33

    6 hours ago, Shima33 said: I've finally thought of an aesthetic for this map, one that would work as well as be unique - a nightclub!

    Why would the terrorists be blowing up a nightclub?

    "LISTIN IVAN, IF VI KANNOT DANSE, THEN NOVONE CAN!"

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