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Conservative Religious Right crosses the line in Florida.

  • The Postman
  • March 24, 2005 at 8:10 AM
  • The Postman
    • March 24, 2005 at 8:10 AM
    • #1

    http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

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    Capitol bill aims to control ‘leftist’ profsTHE LAW COULD LET STUDENTS SUE FOR UNTOLERATED BELIEFS.

    By JAMES VANLANDINGHAM

    Alligator Staff Writer

    TALLAHASSEE — Republicans on the House Choice and Innovation Committee voted along party lines Tuesday to pass a bill that aims to stamp out “leftist totalitarianism” by “dictator professors” in the classrooms of Florida’s universities.

    The Academic Freedom Bill of Rights, sponsored by Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, passed 8-to-2 despite strenuous objections from the only two Democrats on the committee.

    The bill has two more committees to pass before it can be considered by the full House.

    While promoting the bill Tuesday, Baxley said a university education should be more than “one biased view by the professor, who as a dictator controls the classroom,” as part of “a misuse of their platform to indoctrinate the next generation with their own views.”

    The bill sets a statewide standard that students cannot be punished for professing beliefs with which their professors disagree. Professors would also be advised to teach alternative “serious academic theories” that may disagree with their personal views.

    According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected legal standing to sue professors and universities.

    Students who believe their professor is singling them out for “public ridicule” – for instance, when professors use the Socratic method to force students to explain their theories in class – would also be given the right to sue.

    “Some professors say, ‘Evolution is a fact. I don’t want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don’t like it, there’s the door,’” Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.

    Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, warned of lawsuits from students enrolled in Holocaust history courses who believe the Holocaust never happened.

    Similar suits could be filed by students who don’t believe astronauts landed on the moon, who believe teaching birth control is a sin or even by Shands medical students who refuse to perform blood transfusions and believe prayer is the only way to heal the body, Gelber added.

    “This is a horrible step,” he said. “Universities will have to hire lawyers so our curricula can be decided by judges in courtrooms. Professors might have to pay court costs — even if they win — from their own pockets. This is not an innocent piece of legislation.”

    The staff analysis also warned the bill may shift responsibility for determining whether a student’s freedom has been infringed from the faculty to the courts.

    But Baxley brushed off Gelber’s concerns. “Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,” he said. “Being a businessman, I found out you can be sued for anything. Besides, if students are being persecuted and ridiculed for their beliefs, I think they should be given standing to sue.”

    During the committee hearing, Baxley cast opposition to his bill as “leftists” struggling against “mainstream society.”

    “The critics ridicule me for daring to stand up for students and faculty,” he said, adding that he was called a McCarthyist.

    Baxley later said he had a list of students who were discriminated against by professors, but refused to reveal names because he felt they would be persecuted.

    Rep. Eleanor Sobel, D-Hollywood, argued universities and the state Board of Governors already have policies in place to protect academic freedom. Moreover, a state law outlining how professors are supposed to teach would encroach on the board’s authority to manage state schools.

    “The big hand of state government is going into the universities telling them how to teach,” she said. “This bill is the antithesis of academic freedom.”

    But Baxley compared the state’s universities to children, saying the legislature should not give them money without providing “guidance” to their behavior.

    “Professors are accountable for what they say or do,” he said. “They’re accountable to the rest of us in society … All of a sudden the faculty think they can do what they want and shut us out. Why is it so unheard of to say the professor shouldn’t be a dictator and control that room as their totalitarian niche?”

    In an interview before the meeting, Baxley said “arrogant, elitist academics are swarming” to oppose the bill, and media reports misrepresented his intentions.

    “I expect to be out there on my own pretty far,” he said. “I don’t expect to be part of a team.”

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    This is just sickening. "The Academic Freedom Bill of Rights," what a fucking misnomer - another case of the conservative right slamming the word "freedom" where it doesn't belong in along run of consistent abuse of the noble word. Whatever happened to simply debating an idea or I don't know, just disagreeing? Suing a professor because you don't believe in evolution is the intellectual coward's way out for people without the mental capacity to hold a real argument. It is time for the so-called "Left" to rise up and face some real challenges here. We've been real doormats lately and it's time to look these ugly brutes in the face and say "Enough is enough." For the sake of our country and the mind's of future generations, it is imperative that we do so.

    Besides, aren't Republicans supposed to be for tort reform anyways?

  • FrieChamp
    • March 24, 2005 at 8:18 AM
    • #2

    Next thing you know is they'll forbid to teach the theory of evolution and that the earth spins around the sun.

  • JynxDaddy
    • March 24, 2005 at 11:04 AM
    • #3

    What? What are you saying friechamp, that doesnt make sense, in the bible it says the moon is the center of the universe and the earth revolves around the moon, and the sun is jesus and god looking out of their penthouse balcony.

  • DaanO
    • March 24, 2005 at 2:28 PM
    • #4

    Hah would be cool if some medical students graduated that believe prayer is the only way to cure the body, and refuse to learn about other ways. Way to go Florida.

  • DaanO
    • March 24, 2005 at 6:51 PM
    • #5

    Well, i don't think it is a valid scientific theory, but who says things have to be scientifically proven to be true.

  • SonicDM
    • March 24, 2005 at 7:44 PM
    • #6

    i would say things that have been scientifically proven hold a shitload more water in the true department to me.

  • The Postman
    • March 24, 2005 at 9:45 PM
    • #7
    Quote from DaanO

    Well, i don't think it is a valid scientific theory, but who says things have to be scientifically proven to be true.

    Believe what you want, but it has no place in a science classroom.

  • DaanO
    • March 24, 2005 at 10:05 PM
    • #8

    I was gonna say that yes, so i can only agree with you.

  • babaganush
    • April 22, 2005 at 1:23 AM
    • #9

    I wonder if Baxley would support legislation that allows left-leaning students to sue their catholic schools for making them love jesus.

  • jimius
    • April 22, 2005 at 11:59 AM
    • #10

    "According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected legal standing to sue professors and universities. "

    If you're in a university, I hope you know that it's the place of science, facts and theories. Religion has little place in all of this. Teachers teach the accepted theories and proven facts. And if someone disagrees they should back it up, not sue.

    But then again, i'm not surprised to see this happening in the one country in the world where this can happen. Wait, they probly have a law like this too in Iran.

  • Section_Ei8ht
    • April 22, 2005 at 4:29 PM
    • #11
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    I wonder if Baxley would support legislation that allows left-leaning students to sue their catholic schools for making them love jesus.

    nuff said.

  • DD
    • June 17, 2005 at 7:13 AM
    • #12

    Many ridiculous laws like this pass through the US goverment relying on the last hope to shut it down, Supreme Court. Unfortunately the republicans are about to control all branches of the goverment which could be catastrophic.

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    I'm not saying democrats or any other political party is any better, just saying a communist like Government in America would be official.

  • The Postman
    • June 20, 2005 at 10:34 PM
    • #13
    Quote from DD

    Many ridiculous laws like this pass through the US goverment relying on the last hope to shut it down, Supreme Court. Unfortunately the republicans are about to control all branches of the goverment which could be catastrophic.http://%7boption%7d

    I'm not saying democrats or any other political party is any better, just saying a communist like Government in America would be official.

    That's the problem with democracies, they always vote themelves out of democracy.

  • mike-0
    • July 9, 2005 at 1:25 AM
    • #14
    Quote from DaanO

    Well, i don't think it is a valid scientific theory, but who says things have to be scientifically proven to be true.

    If they're not proven, then there has to be another side to the arguement.

  • The Postman
    • July 10, 2005 at 4:15 AM
    • #15

    And what? The other side is that a bored deity made us out of dust and dirt? Come on, mythology doesn't equal science.

  • Kosmo
    • July 11, 2005 at 8:52 AM
    • #16

    I always tought that sciense was about logic and laws, like mathematics and laws of physics, anything related (even remotely) to religion or superstition has nothing to do with sciense or truth what so ever. That is why we have two separate things, and not just one thing that is truth, religion to cover the supersitious things like soul and all that shit, and sciense to cover the things we can actually study and reason as truth.

    This all comes down to logic, if you can touch something or someone can present you with anough facts about it, you'd rather believe on that (especially if it is very recent study) than some mumbo jumbo religion that has vague scriptures about some peoples OPINIONS and their side of the story.

  • Kosmo
    • July 11, 2005 at 1:48 PM
    • #17

    I was never taught proper resoning and critical thinking and judging of "facts" and still I manage to do that properly, and I think that it is mainly due to the fact that I do not accept any religion, since I think every religion is against human rights.

    But the big difference between scientific "fact" and religious mumbo jumbo is that religious mumbo jumbo is 2000 years old and still thought as correct as it was back then, as of various scientific "facts" have habit of overruling eachother when a newer point of view or study comes around (and here we learn how these facts were actually incorrect from the beginning or the time being), those religious assumptions and opinions have not updated them since they were written. Sure there are different views in different teachings of the same religion, but they remain still different points of view of the same thing which was wrong from the beginning, it doesn't matter how many different views you get from a half truth, it still remains half truth.

    That is the most defining difference between a fact which presents itself as sciense and an opinion which is the religion. Sure there are almost religions amongst sciense too, like Albert Einsteins "theory of relativity" which seems to many still being a definining theory even though it has since been ruled "obsolete" by various scientific communities.

  • RD
    • July 11, 2005 at 9:47 PM
    • #18
    Quote from Kosmo

    Sure there are different views in different teachings of the same religion, but they remain still different points of view of the same thing which was wrong from the beginning, it doesn't matter how many different views you get from a half truth, it still remains half truth.

    What was wrong from the beginning in the bible, or the Koran for example?

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    That is the most defining difference between a fact which presents itself as sciense and an opinion which is the religion. Sure there are almost religions amongst sciense too, like Albert Einsteins "theory of relativity" which seems to many still being a definining theory even though it has since been ruled "obsolete" by various scientific communities.

    Science doesnt answer all questions. Like how did evrything begin.

  • GrayFox
    • July 11, 2005 at 9:59 PM
    • #19
    Quote from RD

    Science doesnt answer all questions. Like how did evrything begin.

    So people create an imaginary friend (god) which they use to explain everything they don't understand.

  • RD
    • July 11, 2005 at 11:20 PM
    • #20

    Some ppl create an (imaginary) god, and others are mindless zombies that never marvel at the mystery. Their deepest thought "it cant be god" blasphemizes the science and logic they worship and satisfies all curiosity their mindless atoms allow them to feel

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