House of Cards

Could people just stop sexually abusing other people already?

Quote from Beck

12 hours ago, Beck said: Could people just stop sexually abusing other people already?

You'd hope that people would know this basic rule already.

I am so disappointed. I've always enjoyed Kevin Spacey's work and absolutely loved House of Cards. I admit that at first my bias was towards Spacey and thinking it was just some people wanting headlines — the same trap that I guess many victims of powerful people fall into — but as with other high-profile individuals recently the accusations have been consistent, numerous, and from people with their own successful show business careers who have no reason to make this stuff up.

So basically it seems pretty beyond doubt that Spacey has assaulted these people, and yet how does that leave my enjoyment of his films and shows, and my intention to enjoy rewatching them again in the future? It's the whole separation of artist and art thing I suppose. At what point do you draw the line? Is it possible or moral to enjoy the work of a scumbag? Personally I refuse to listen to any Chris Brown music even though a lot of it is quite good, because he's an abusive violent bastard. But I find it hard to apply this same strictness to what seems to be an endlessly increasing circle of ethically compromised celebrities and their films/music/tv shows/games. Jeez.

Quote from Thrik

17 minutes ago, Thrik said: I am so disappointed. I've always enjoyed Kevin Spacey's work and absolutely loved House of Cards. I admit that at first my bias was towards Spacey and thinking it was just some people wanting headlines — the same trap that I guess many victims of powerful people fall into — but as with other high-profile individuals recently the accusations have been consistent, numerous, and from people with their own successful show business careers who have no reason to make this stuff up.

So basically it seems pretty beyond doubt that Spacey has assaulted these people, and yet how does that leave my enjoyment of his films and shows, and my intention to enjoy rewatching them again in the future? It's the whole separation of artist and art thing I suppose. At what point do you draw the line? Is it possible or moral to enjoy the work of a scumbag? Personally I refuse to listen to any Chris Brown music even though a lot of it is quite good, because he's an abusive violent bastard. But I find it hard to apply this same strictness to what seems to be an endlessly increasing circle of ethically compromised celebrities and their films/music/tv shows/games. Jeez.

I feel much the same with Lost Prophets. I grew up loving their music, and they're still in my top 10 on Last.fm I listened to them that much in my teenage years. Then it came out that the lead singer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watkins_(Lostprophets) for those of you out of the loop) was a child rapist and I can't bring myself to listen to them anymore.

Same dilemma @Thrik

we have grown to like him so it’s very hard to come to terms with this. Like you say it can feel at first that someone wants to catch headlines.

saw this the other day in the shop:

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Its no justification but if true gives some background.

I've read about that as well. I don't know what to think quite honestly. Doesn't excuse what he did in any way though.

It appears that the show will go ahead without Kevin Spacey

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/52993/house…s-season-6-news

killing him off screen will be crap. I find a bit too extreme when they only needed him for half of the first episode... and originally they made it sound like Spacey would have been cut anyway following the original material from the book.