Dahell is happening in Kiev

They aren't RT and russian media has been full of claims of oppression and fascists in government, when the reality is a tiny minority of the parliament contains "fascists" (7.9%). As far as russia is concerned anyone anti russian is a "fascist" I don't even think they understand the meaning of the word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhovna_Rada

The whole claim of people seizing power form the government is bollocks, lots its MPs merely removed their affiliation with the party thus resulting in a minority government, which isn't something that can be maintained. Its the same thing that has happened in numerous European countries in the past. It's one of the points of democracy.

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How are russian-speakers in Ukraine being oppressed? Genuinely curious. Seems to me like they want to secede from their country and join with Russia, and/or not allow Ukraine to join the EU. It's hard for me to see either of those as oppression, although I understand why they would annoy Russia and thus cause Russia to stir up a civil war.

In Ukraine officially:

- Forbidden TV's on russian language. People buying a satellite dish to see channels from Russia or Belorussia(both have channels on russian).

- Forbidden Movies with russian localization.

- Forbidden to makes Newspapers on russian.

- Russian is not recognized as language of 30% ukranian people.

When Crimea became part of Russia, most people threw away their ukranian passports like a trash.

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They probably threw them away because they literally were trash at that point.... Also really fucking stupid thing to do, people can still take them and use them as fake passports/counter fitting.

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In Ukraine officially:

- Forbidden TV's on russian language. People buying a satellite dish to see channels from Russia or Belorussia(both have channels on russian).

- Forbidden Movies with russian localization.

- Forbidden to makes Newspapers on russian.

- Russian is not recognized as language of 30% ukranian people.

When Crimea became part of Russia, most people threw away their ukranian passports like a trash.

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well I dunno, maybe because the country Ukraine isn't the country Russia and doesn't want to be associated with it? JUST A THOUGHT

God forbid you speak your own language in your own country. What blasphemy! We should all speak Russian. D3 is so far ahead of us!!!!

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If Ukraine recognized(like Canada!) what country is bilingual(it's fact!) these conflicts would not be.

forced bilingualism != bilingualism

I somehow already see the "liberty ships" transporting gas to ukraine for the winter

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In Ukraine officially:

- Forbidden TV's on russian language. People buying a satellite dish to see channels from Russia or Belorussia(both have channels on russian).

- Forbidden Movies with russian localization.

- Forbidden to makes Newspapers on russian.

- Russian is not recognized as language of 30% ukranian people.

When Crimea became part of Russia, most people threw away their ukranian passports like a trash.

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Interesting post. I disagree with you, but I see what you're saying.

http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782

lol

http://en.ria.ru/russia/2014072…sion-Putin.html

More cold war bullshit from Putin. What makes it so devious is that it's HIM who expanded his military presence in western direction over last couple months in practical terms.

It's the same "Evil NATO prepares to attack us" bullshit when Soviet Union had 3 times more tanks in their doctrine for steam roling northern Europe.

"Seit Fuenf Uhr Fuenfundvierzig wird nun zurueck geschossen"- anyone ?

Yea how dare NATO to protect its borders against an increasingly rabid and unpredictable neighbor.

Russia feels betrayed since former Warsaw Pact members like Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary etc. joined NATO. Regardless of whether there was a formal commitment that this would never ever happen or not, there was apparently an understanding between Eastern and Western politicians at the time of the German reunification and Germany's entrance to NATO, that NATO wouldn't push further East. Yet this is what's happening and I think that notion that NATO is creeping further towards Russian borders and cannot be trusted explains why Russia is reacting the way it does in the Ukrainian matter. With the change in government (pro-EU, pro-NATO) they saw their most important military base by the Black Sea about to be lost due to NATO and didn't want to let that happen.

So Russia is acting like it does because its neighbors act like they do because Russia acts like it does?

NATO as an aggressor fits well into the Russian narrative but the reality is that countries like the baltic countries would be Russian puppets again without NATO protection und suffer the same violations of freedom and human rights as people in Belorussia for example.

It's a vicious circle. Maybe these countries would still be a "buffer zone" today, but it is more likely that your're right: they would be governed by Kreml-loyal authoritarian leaders.

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So Russia is acting like it does because its neighbors act like they do because Russia acts like it does?

Now that is warfare in a nutshell isnt it ...

State department doesn't know who fired the missile but it was "probably" the separatists... and just days ago, Kerry was claiming they had "satellite data that shows exactly who fired it and that Russia supplied them with the means to do it"... guess it's just another case of Kerry talking out of his arse again... They seem to contradict themselves a lot, Russia trains the separatists yet they lack the training to operate SA-11... which is it?

Yesterday a public investigation on Litvinenko's death was opened, just coincidence of course.. only less than a year ago Teresa May was insisting there would be one because we didn't want to harm relations with Russia. Hmmmm...

EU/USA news that you read not so free as you think, don't forget about it when you read political text from "free journalist".

For a start he isn't a CIA officer he is an economist. Literally took me 2 seconds to check that. So yeah, I'm going to call bullshit on what he says. I mean here is his statement on the plane.

"One fact is that the separatists do not have the expensive Buk anti-aircraft missile system or the trained personnel to operate it."

Except they factually 100% do have BUK AA.

"Another fact is that the separatists have no incentive to shoot down an airliner and neither does Russia. Anyone can tell the difference between low-flying attack aircraft and an airliner at 33,000 feet."

No one is claiming they did it on purpose or did it thinking it was a low-flying attack aircraft, as has been proven by their own statements they thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane.

So basically this guy is a fucking idiot who has done zero research on any of this. Honestly this guy is a clown and is using this tragedy to push his own agenda.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/19/hap…-craig-roberts/

"CIA officer Paul Craig Roberts"...

A quick search will tell you Paul Craig Roberts was never a member of the CIA. The implied title would appear to give him some credibility, otherwise he is just another radical making wild statements that people just eat up as truth.