Dahell is happening in Kiev

    Yes Tisky, I get it. I don't know perhaps I thought you would be more used to my perspective given posts I've made on Facebook


    Several videos and photos have emerged about the shootings on Instytutska Street contradicing some of the media narrative about what happened, it appears several elite unit Berkut were fired upon (from the bottom at the barricades) and pelted with home made explosives forcing them to retreat up the street, the protesters then proceeded up the road, some of them armed. Armed gunmen from extremist group "Pravy Sektor" (Right Sector) also stormed into a nearby building and took positions firing at police from the windows.


    I don't want to keep dredging this up but if people are interested, I'll post the links.


    Seldoon: That's a pretty good idea actually, I don't know how bitcoin works exactly but that would stop any funds from being abused by others for their own gains, right?

    First of neither me nor them will pay for fees.

    Then I'm confident they already received the whole money I sent them (I tracked on the Blockchain if they received the payment).

    At last fuck the governments!

    Well, Russian soldiers in Crimea, officially now. Today Russian security council approved the deployment of troops.


    Attack and landing russian helicopters in Ukraine:


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    Nazi banderas will be fucked up. Buy a popcorn guys!

    Sentura


    He could not solve the problems in Afghanistan. Today Obama is just a representative of businessmen, who the fuck a poor people, nothing more.


    Sending dollars and weapons for banderas - it is maximum.

    Yeah well, in this case it's better for the US to get involved than to return the old president to the throne, or worse, the loss of Ukraine's independence. Being that you're russian, I'm going to assume you're biased in this matter.

    Oh God this is a clusterfuck...


    - After armed gunmen captured airports in Crimea, believed to be Russian forces with no insignia to show. Russian forces approved of by parliament, all representitives voted unanimously. Majority also vote to dismiss ambassador to the US, no action taken yet.


    - Russian soldiers have captured several Ukrainian army/airforce installations in Crimea, personal disarmed with no resistance.


    - Several members of the Rada are calling for the Ukrainian army to be deployed... They might have a large army but it is severely under-equipped with little fuel to power vehicles. Plus a lot of the commanders are former Soviet army veterans who will refuse to fight Russia and there are large numbers of constripts that would probably refuse to fight.


    - Crimean Russians have formed their own Self-Defence unit made up of civilian volunteers and former Berkut members.


    - For the first time in it's history, Sevastopol has elected it's own mayor after throwing out the one appointed by Kiev (which in previous years has always been the case).


    - After Berkut was disbanded, many former officers received daily death threats and thus fled Kiev to Sevastopol. They have requested Russian passports. Seems the authorities didn't watch the news from Iraq in 2004 when former army/police were stripped of their jobs and promptly joined the opposition fighters...


    - Armed gunmen believed to be from Kiev attacked government buildings in Crimean cities, shots fired but no one hurt, self-defence units pushed them back out.


    - Svoboda party warns Russia against aggression or they'll become a nuclear power (I don't know how they're going to manage that, Ukrainian engineers only built rockets for delivery and the country is bankrupt)


    - Massive protests in East Ukraine against Kiev government, thousands of people out on streets of Khakov, Odessa, Donetsk, Mariupol, Melitopol, Kerch, Odessa and Nikolaev.


    - In lighter news.. Nikolai Valuev has been spotted in Sevastopol, I expect the differences between Ukraine and Russia to be resolved with a fight with Klitschko!


    I have absolutely no idea what Moscow is thinking, you guys might be surprised to hear this from me... but this is just stupid.. Georgia made sense, Russian soldiers killed by Georgian soldiers in desputed territory.. this makes no sense at all. All I can think is that Moscow is arguing that since the EU went back on the agreement it reached and signed with Yanukovich, they have to take matters into their own hands to help out the East regions.. I don't know.


    In terms of what's happenening in East Ukraine, the Anti-Maidan movement is what happens when you ignore 40% of the population and let mobs in the capital take control...

    This map shows Ukraine throughout history, it helps to understand why Russia is so deep rooted with it's smaller brother:


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    Brown - Territories given to Ukraine by Russian Tzars in 1654-1917.
    Blue - Territories given to Ukraine by Lenin in 1922.
    Red - Territories given to Ukraine by Stalin in 1939-40.
    Green - Crimea, given to Ukraine by Nikita Khrushchev in 1954.
    Yellow - the original nation of Ukraine before the union with Russia.

    Man... fuck this shit.


    This only serves to prove that one of the worst forms of removing a corrupt government is by the use of force. It's usually the most violent people in a given country who get in power in a situation like that, and you know why? Because they are going to perpetuate the eternal state of war and misery that we all live in, which leads to mad profits to those calling the shots. Peaceful leaders who propose a different system are silenced, only the fucked up ones are allowed to stay in power.


    We have seen this pattern repeat in several different countries in the past decade: Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Egypt and now Ukraine. If we go further back, that's exactly the kind of situation that got radical parties, such as the nazis and communists, in power. The same situation led to more than 2 decades of violent military dictatorships in Brazil and in many other countries in South/Central America.


    I'm very concerned that the same situation could happen again in Brazil any time now. Everyone is pissed off at the state of the country and getting increasingly more violent. I really hope everyone calm down and protest peacefully by other means, such as boycotting or disobedience. Violent protests will lead to more violence and give the chance for extremists to seize the power and impose their retarded ideas on everyone.


    Ukraine is going into deep shit now and this is all thanks to violent protests. Once the war machine starts rolling there's no way to stop it. Hope we all learn a lesson from this.

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    Yeah well, in this case it's better for the US to get involved than to return the old president to the throne, or worse, the loss of Ukraine's independence. Being that you're russian, I'm going to assume you're biased in this matter.


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    Oh, sorry man! I don't want to break this beauty pink glasses on your eyes - i'll be a bad russian for you! Go and retweet about that to all your fashionable friends.


    I am guided only by clear logic. I know, it is not a popular today:


    - Ukraine will have financial default in next 4-5 month. One more Somalia. People of Germany and France, who thinking, is not ready to support an Ukraine stability at a loss to themselves.

    - The new ukrainian government does not recognize a bilingualism - for Crimea first language is russian. Imagine for yourself a Canada, where france talking people have no rights to talk on their language.

    - I do not believe Putin but in this moment he doing right. Without a russian army situation can be end by genocide of russian talking people.

    - You are naive people. Protecting one side you spit on interests of the another side.

    And what are they gonna do, incarcerate those who speak Russian? /rolleyes

    Don't think so, so I don't see the problem, if they also speak the other language. I lived in Namibia and official language is English, it only means that bureaucracy is in eng, the (older-adult) blacks speak Afrikaans as first way to communicate.


    Clear logic doesn't justify Russia's entry into Ukraine, son, no matter who you are. Letting the propaganda get to your head and claiming it to be logical to destroy a country and people is a funny way of showing rationality. You talk about genocide from Ukraine - if anyone is going to be doing genocide, it's most likely going to be forced by unmarked soldiers fed into the country.


    There are no two sides if this becomes war. This is more than just Crimea. Don't be so naive to believe that it will start and end there.

    I don't know r1ar, I'm usually on Russia's side in most things but it's hard to see the justification of moving troops into Ukraine on the grounds that the government is currently arguing. There are certainly a worrying number of radicals gaining power in Kiev but so far apart from a few low-level skirmishes, there hasn't been any violence. If people in the Crimea had been attacked and killed (I mean a proper attack, not just a few gunmen that appeared and then got chased out) then I would believe that some kind of operation to protect the Crimea from said radicals would be justified to some extent. Yeah you can argue that Russia is acting to stop this from happening full stop, but that's speculation... you don't know that for certain. It just makes Russia's image look bad, especially so soon after the Olympics.


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    Town that gave the name to the hood?


    The very same.


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    I thought the bilingual law was retracted after the EU pressured the opposition to not alienate the eastern population.


    Yeah but it was done after the troops captured the airports in Crimea.


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    Also, at least from over here the law read more like: "the language used in official documents should not be russian anymore", not "you're never allowed to speak russian again". which in any case is still stupid (as you said, quebec is an example, california and florida (spanish) another), but i wouldn't lead the assumption that its a straight road to genocide from this also, i think canada would be pretty pissed off, if in such a case france declared to invade to re-institute french in quebec as the only language to be spoken and declares it to be its own country.


    No it's more than that... the signs, notices, government administrations, official papers, language taught in schools and colleges has to be in Ukrainian. Might make sense in some parts of East Ukraine, but Crimea? Anyway, it's been withdrawn now doesn't matter.


    How long ago was France in Canada? Ukraine first became a state in 1991, apples and oranges. At the moment troops are in Crimea, we'll see if they move outside of the autonomous region...


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    and d3, yes - Territory was given by the UDSSR (and its predecessors) but at least from one of my friends from the region I've heard that a lot of the russian speaking population was put there in settlement policies during the UDSSR times to basically give more control over those areas (think chinese settlements and infrastructure into tibet as a far fetched examle). Granting territory to the ukraine doesn't say anything about the previous majority living there - could have been either ukrainian or russians living there before. in any case, it doesn't matter much, because the people who live there now and call it their home should have the right to stay and live in piece no matter what language or origin they come from.


    I had to google UDSSR, damn Kraut Russian speakers would have been brought into the East more due to the capital being Kharkiv during the times of the SU, that's why a lot of the far East speak Russian as a first language. I simply posted it so people understand where modern day Ukraine came from, the central territory was when Ukraine was first it's own state, it wouldn't become such again until the fall of the Iron Curtain. You can argue Crimea is a special case because it's mostly populated by ethnic Russians as opposed to ethnic Ukrainians who speak Russian.

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