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    Thank you all for tonight! I'll get back to you both Squad and Rick with some feedback on your maps.

    Also, thanks for playing in my whiteboxed mess, please let me know what you think! There's an overlay in the thread if you want to do some painting.

    Nice playtest!

    I'm not a multiplayer design expert, hardly made any multiplayer maps so perhaps take what I say with a pinch of salt. Anyways, this is what I had troubles with:

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    1) Going into the toilets doesn't give you any tactical advantage, you just end up at the same location/angle like you would if you take the normal area. My suggestion is to lengthen the toilet area and make a different exit so going in there actually gives you something different. Perhaps not like I've drawn cos then CT need to look at yet another entrance into that area!

    2) I always try to flank and the terrorist spawn area is a badly designed area imo, it's really huge and it takes forever to actually end up in the "main loop" again. I don't even see the reason why the spawns have to be included in the loop at all. So yeah, those areas at the bottom of the map feel a bit useless. It feels like you've put most of the effort in making the choke points work when CT and T just run towards each other but not when they circle around.

    3) Overall still very long corridors with no cover, add some angles! It's a fancy office building ffs, right?! There's also something weird about this choke point. While you get out of cover you're pretty much defenseless unless you can get into that meeting room. Perhaps do something more interesting with that meeting room to make the transition more interesting? (Wall it in + door on one side, keep one glass wall. It's a bit hard for zone control if both are glass walls. Or something!)

    Cheers!

    Fun test everyone!

    Here's some comments about Puddy's map.

    Firstly, it's a lot more fun than the previous one Especially the 2-story area is a great chokepoint.

    The picture speaks for itself mostly. The T route on the left side is a bit redundant (I don't think it was used a lot in the playtest), it's a lot longer to take than the upper route. It's good there is a second path leading to this area, but I would make it equally long as the upper path. Actually, perhaps it would not be bad to make it a slightly faster route into that area giving it its own advantage (the upper route's advantage is, well, it's upstairs so you're in a better position there (and you can also jump down, it's harder to jump up from the lower floor).

    I would consider removing one of the large rooms on the right flank (the other becomes bombsite B) and moving the bomb site closer to the middle of the map. I haven't deleted/added any extra paths on that side (I'll leave that up to you if you'd go with this ), but that would obviously require some thought put into. The whole bombsite could/should be redesigned, but I would keep the 2-story element somehow.

    On a visual note. You now have 2 large lobby halls as spawns. Why not make one side of the map a completely different part of an airport (the behind-the-scenes areas perhaps)? It would greatly help in identifying seperate parts of the map (which was not easy now, but then again, it's due to the dev textures as well) and give the map more variety.

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    Then Rick's de_favela.

    Very nice map with solid and fun gameplay. As mentioned before, only a few things I'd change:

    The narrow windows are too powerful (unless you're Evert and await anyone appearing on such window with an AWP ).

    A T that leaves his spawn a couple of seconds too late and wants to go left has a good chance of getting sniped while crossing the long street (see picture) ... I could never cross that street without shit in my pants if I lost a few seconds in my spawn area. Just putting some cover where I draw the green box could solve this (a car/truck or something).

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    Yeah, Puddy's map was definitely much improved. Good to give it another bash now people know the layout a bit more.

    I know it is early days, but what might work visually is an outside rooftop flank, or even a central exterior part surrounded by the big office structure. It could provide some nice contrast between the interior sections.

    Either way, looking forward to seeing where the map goes

    I have a new version of my map that could absolutely do with some testing. I think it is fair to say that the last test showed it to have a terrible layout, but I have made a lot of adjustments, and I think it now plays a lot better. Does not feel like the same map anymore, which is definitely a good thing in my eyes!

    When were you thinking of testing again?

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    A T that leaves his spawn a couple of seconds too late and wants to go left has a good chance of getting sniped while crossing the long street (see picture) ... I could never cross that street without shit in my pants if I lost a few seconds in my spawn area. Just putting some cover where I draw the green box could solve this (a car/truck or something).

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    just to touch on this: it is as designed, i'll definitely change it if it proves to be a serious problem - but think of it as punishment for being too slow to buy - and also a way to see what the T's are doing if they don't smoke it when rotating/faking. one thing i have to fix is that you can see into t spawn - similar to dust2, but i didn't intend for that so it'll be fixed. everything else is as intended. just need to see if it actually works

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