New PlayStation Store

What is the point of re-releasing the same console again?

i think we're at a point where it doesn't really make sense to make a new console for sony. ps3 had a slow start and it's just begun to bloom now. ill wager that no studio has used the full power of it yet either, and it's a question about whether the ps4 will actually offer any significant processing advantage over the ps3. perhaps in the graphics department, but honestly studios are doing well enough as it is with the graphics on it.

It annoys me that the Slim is a compacter but ultimately shitter version of the original PS3. I replaced mine after it bricked and honestly I've barely played it, no backwards compatibility and nothing this generation I still have interest in. Maybe the extra power on the PS4 will have games not running at under half an acceptable framerate with jagged polygons everywhere.

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It annoys me that the Slim is a compacter but ultimately shitter version of the original PS3. I replaced mine after it bricked and honestly I've barely played it, no backwards compatibility and nothing this generation I still have interest in. Maybe the extra power on the PS4 will have games not running at under half an acceptable framerate with jagged polygons everywhere.

which games have you seen this in?

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which games have you seen this in?

Sentura: living in a dream since forever.

Well, I never said I’ve found nothing this generation appealing, I certainly have had a lot of fun with many games across all platforms, I just don’t see myself “replaying” anything. Most games are designed to be shallow and making sure you hit everything the first time through. There are exceptions, such as Dark Souls, but it's fair to say most genres I play peaked in complexity, depth and skill before this gen.

The list is too long Sentura. Everything using Unreal would be a good start. As far as I know only two games have managed 60fps and they still dip with only two characters on the screen.

What? Taylor, it's call getting older dude, stop blaming it on this generation of consoles. I get it that you like your anime fight games at 60FPS like you did back in the 90's on the arcade machines, but that doesn't mean these last 8 years on this generation were bad, maybe your taste is games is just... you know, narrow and close minded?

It was probably the richest generation yet, and we devs make do with the hardware that we have. We all know the pain of developing a game for the PS3 and XBox but it has to be that way, if this consoles were more powerful they would also be a lot more expensive and no one would be able to afford them, and no clients no sales.

Anyway, in regards to the PSN store update, it seems better than the previous one, which I think it was probably the one thing I didn't like on the PS3 platform, the PS3 main menu tho, is extremely sleek and well organized, I cringe every time i turn on my XBox and need to use that horrible menu UI.

Since I moved I had to sell most of my electronics, so this is actually great timing for a new PS3, specially given this model has a SSD hard drive and games will load much faster, it will also make Rage (which is a game I really like) run much better than any platform due to the high bandwith in data streaming of SSD's!

It’s really weird having someone tell me off for blaming console generations for something considering it’s usually the other way around. I will reiterate a second time that I have enjoyed tonnes of games this generation! All I meant to say was after re-buying a PS3 I got limited use of it because I mainly used it to play older games and I didn't feel like returning to newer games in my library. You know I've written fawning posts over Uncharted and ilk.

Games have moved forwards a lot this generation and, if there was any doubt before, they have moved right into the mainstream and going into Game isn't like walking into a private club with debatable standards of hygiene. I'm currently watching the LoL championships with interest and I think it’s amazing events like this happen. Modern gaming gets a thumbs up from me.

However, I think it’s a perfectly valid opinion that I would prefer games to run faster than look better because I feel the game-part performs much better with tighter controls and responsiveness. And I think it is valid to say game mechanics haven’t advanced too much over the course of this gen as well.

This generation gave us red faction guerilla and vanquish so it gets a pass.

To conclude, the ps3 has no games.

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However, I think it’s a perfectly valid opinion that I would prefer games to run faster than look better because I feel the game-part performs much better with tighter controls and responsiveness. And I think it is valid to say game mechanics haven’t advanced too much over the course of this gen as well.

Absolutely dude, I agree with this too, I was just saying it's not necessarily the generations fault, and you came across as blaming it instead of other factors.

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...ill wager that no studio has used the full power of it yet either, ...

Are you for real? There's almost nothing left to squeeze out of the consoles. Sure, you can hack your stuff to make it run but I can't wait until the new consoles are out. Shit is getting super outdated, they're definitely catching their last breath. (I'd argue the PS3 even more so tbh)

I guess Sony did a great job marketing their revolutionary Cell processor back in the day and that notion stuck up to this day...

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Are you for real? There's almost nothing left to squeeze out of the consoles. Sure, you can hack your stuff to make it run but I can't wait until the new consoles are out. Shit is getting super outdated, they're definitely catching their last breath. (I'd argue the PS3 even more so tbh)

I guess Sony did a great job marketing their revolutionary Cell processor back in the day and that notion stuck up to this day...

do you have some sources on that?

the reason the ps2 lasted for as long as it did was because the developers went around and did interesting things with it towards the end. i mean, i don't think we would see the technical art of shadow of the colossus if they had more power to work with.

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do you have some sources on that?

the reason the ps2 lasted for as long as it did was because the developers went around and did interesting things with it towards the end. i mean, i don't think we would see the technical art of shadow of the colossus if they had more power to work with.

Development. Don't take my word for it though, I'm no systems engineer and don't come much into contact with performance tweaks in development. Ask around or do some research if you want the full picture. Bottom line is that the PS3 suffers from bottlenecks, perhaps the largest being its RAM.

You think Bethesda didn't release Dawnguard on PS3 for the fun of it? Not everything was Bethesda´s fault imo (barely know if it has to do anything with it, it could be anything... really?) Not to say the xbox doesn't have its flaws, I mean... both consoles thrive when you develop for them exclusively to counter their weaknesses. To say one is more powerful than the other is a lie, but one of the other surely is more challenging to get things working on in a multi-platform setting (so from a developer's perspective, the consumers might not always see this struggle). Both consoles really shine with exclusive titles and I suppose that's where we might see a bit more improvement in the future...

http://www.ehow.com/...y-problems.html

http://www.ps3news.com/playstation-3-…ion-inevitable/

Etc, feel free to google. Enough stuff around. I just hope Sony learned from this and the PS4 will be a more balanced system.

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the reason the ps2 lasted for as long as it did was because the developers went around and did interesting things with it towards the end. i mean, i don't think we would see the technical art of shadow of the colossus if they had more power to work with.

Sure, that's what I said... If you really want to you can make it run, but don't you think it's time to let go and make room for the PS4 and the new xbox so we can run the games smoother, with better graphics, higher resolution... plus less headaches spent on making it run on outdated tech?

i'm not going to defend the ps3, i was more likening its progress to that of the ps2, which it seems to follow pretty closely. i know the 360 suffered from some of the same problems as well.

but on the other hand i think if everything is served too easily we won't see new techniques for e.g. technical art or different ways of conserving memory, and i think it's part of the game dev challenge. i'm not saying everything should be super hard to do, like the dark souls of game development, but learning to squeeze out those last drops will at least allow for some techniques to be discovered that may be used elsewhere as well.

(cue snarky rick_d comment)

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' timestamp='1349987079' post='314198']Absolutely dude, I agree with this too, I was just saying it's not necessarily the generations fault, and you came across as blaming it instead of other factors.

Yeah, sorry dudes. I rambled for ages and then cut my post down to something confusing and bitter!