Anonymous/LulzSec is bummed in the gob

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Why good?

It was actually nice to see someone taking a stand against tha governmenta and tha corporate giants!

Srsly tho, Lulzsec was actually fighting the good fight, It's always good to have someone to help maintaining the balance between the society's feeble minions and the giants.

Quoting this comment, which I agree in it's entirety.

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This just pisses me off. I can understand his position in terms of his kids. I wouldn't want my kids to see me in federal prison either, but Anonymous was fighting to uncover the injustice that the government has put on us all. He was the modern day Robin Hood. The least he could have done was been sloppy enough to tip off his people that the FBI had nabbed him, and he was now a liability to the organization. Instead, he led his people right into a trap that will most likely lead to two scenarios: 1. All Anonymous and LulzSec people are found and arrested; some other hacker group takes their place to "carry the torch", but is nowhere near as good and is in competition with a bunch of other wannabe organizations.

2. Some of the Anon/Lulz hackers evade capture and band together fuled by revenge. They will be angry, and they will want to take it out on Sabu and the government in attacks that no longer focus on governmental injustice, but rather who hates who.

"We're chopping off the head of LulzSec."

Have you ever chopped the head off a snake? when you do, the body flails wildly without control or restraint. Way to go, Sabu.

Yeah HP, most of the time they were just trolling for the sake of it... With all this talk of Corporate Giants and Governments, it sounds like you've been playing too much Deus Ex!

LulzSec was more about the Lulz than they were about the Sec, which is also why no one will really care when they get arrested. Its kind of like when punks goes on protesting about something really important, but all they really did in their spare time before the protesting started was to paint graffiti or occupy houses. No one takes them seriously even though once or twice in a life time they have a good idea.

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With all this talk of Corporate Giants and Governments, it sounds like you've been playing too much Deus Ex!

open your eyes dude . . .

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open your eyes dude . . .

But.... EVERYTHING IS ORANGE!

It wont change anything tough. The hole point of anonymous is that there isn't a leader to the group, we can all be part of it, so even if they arrest the most prominent members there are still thousands of other hackers out there that will keep doing their work.

Besides most of the big breaches are not done by the known members of anonymous, they are done by a random hacker somewhere on a ex-urss country that uses anonymous as an umbrella to divert attentions away from him. And these guys will never be caught, or at least not by the FBI.

I'm betting that something big will happen next Friday in response to this

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This thread just got...

e-freak'd!

lulzsec wasn't in any way a control group, or anything else than a splinter cell. sure there are a few that organize stuff in anonymous, but anonymous isn't a hacker collective, it's a collective of people who (from my interpretation) want to change the world. that they have hackers on their side, or other people who can gain access to physical/virtual information doesn't mean that they are all affiliated.

i just think it's funny that people don't know what anonymous is, yet still talk about them like they know everything. i'm not saying i do, but i've barely looked into them and even i know it's not just hack0rz doing bad stuff.

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oh im not trying to imply that lulzsec was the control group of anonymous. I think the control group to anonymous is probably somewhere else. although, what it does show is that there often is one (or few) "masterminds" and if you can get a hold of them they can suddenly name a lot of people and it comes to show that what was supposed to be a massive base of internet users comes down to a very small group that's really driving the whole thing.

i don't think there are any masterminds that have sovereign over the entire movement, they might, at most, have control of a cell. to claim that there is some sort of dark conspiracy where a small group of people control everything within the organization is ludicrous, considering this is what the anonymous movement is fighting against. what i have seen at most from them is a "spokesperson", but even he just belongs to a single cell.

the whole point of the movement in the first place was to not have any organization at all, and that nobody should know anybody. look it up before you talk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

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The majority of anonymous is /b/, that's pretty much it. You then have other groups of anon doing their own thing on their own boards. Oh, and they all think they're the best anon group out there... and they hate the other anon groups...

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well, there's no dark conspiracy involved saying that there could be groups inside anonymous that plan and execute the major strikes and that these groups are actually pretty well connected and know each other (to a certain degree). the fellow-runners and script-kiddies are unorganized, but in large, they're just followers in the crowd. and even without a clear communication of hierarchy or a designated leader it's pretty easy to manipulate or guide a group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_behaviour#People

i don't know what you mean by major strikes, the most i've seen anonymous do is DDOS websites, which doesn't require any hacking knowledge, it just requires a botnet big enough. if i was nice i'd say you're overanalyzing what anonymous is, but i'm not so i'm going to say you misunderstood the concept.

as a whole, there is no organization, the different groups that may exist may have no or little knowledge of each other (or if they do have more, they keep it incredible well hidden, which i would think is borderline impossible given the size of some of these groups), which means they operate independently of each other. they voice what they want to the public, because the public mass protects their anonymity. the direction i've seen them take has been little more than the overall "change the world", and has mostly encompassed protests (however friendly/unfriendly they may be), data gathering and DDOS's.

if there was the grand illuminati conspiracy behind all this you are implying, i'm sure there would be more direction than just this; and, given the size of anonymous, there would be people within anonymous reacting strongly against it. on the contrary, the behavior the movement exhibits seems to warrant that at most it's pseudo terrorist hacker cells using anonymous as a pseudonym.

also, 9/11 and the holocaust didn't happen yo, vote ron paul 2116!!!

But Sentura, dont you understand; just because they say their snake dont have a head and that they wrote so on wikipedia doesnt mean their snake dont actually have a head.

I think that the hacked FBI phone call is a good example of how they work.

From the info that was released so far about it, it was just a guy that had hacked a random gmail account, found an email with the call details and then told Sabu about it (which at this time was already working for the feds apparently) and asked him for help with a VoIP software to record the call and distribute the phone call.

I believe this is how they always work, some guy does something and then they put the anonymous stamp on it. It's wrong to call this an organized group or to suggest that there is someone pulling all the strings behind the scenes, they are just guys doing things, it's as simple as that. I would even say that most of the big hacks are accidental, or at least whoever did them didn't knew what kind of information they would get from it, and are due to the amount of people currently hacking under the anonymous flag, someone will eventually find a pot of gold it they are all searching for it.

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But Sentura, dont you understand; just because they say their snake dont have a head and that they wrote so on wikipedia doesnt mean their snake dont actually have a head.

there is no structure enforcing any part of the anonymous movement to follow what the others say. the goals unite them, nothing else. if someone or something goes against the goals, they won't join in. even all the posters for raids or protests or whatever have been heavy on information about why you should go. there is no implicit trust, and without that, there can be no leadership structure. like i said, it can at most be a cell.