Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

    In the past i used to hate inferno (cs 1.6-source) then toward the end of source and switch to GO I really like it.

    I dunno, I guess you could consider it a bit noisy, but I wouldn't compare to a map that is very "flat" due to its setting.

    Inferno is kinda of a realistic portrayal to that geographic region; as a player, my mentality is that I have to adapt to an environment, not the other way around. If there's a spot where people hide, I have to learn it and check it every time.

    Like, I understand and like the trick used in Mirage's sniping nest, but you could draw a comparison with dod_caen's main square: playing as a Brit I always put a couple of bullets in the famous dark windows and you dunno how many kills I got that way. And what a satisfaction to get a blind kill! >: D

    Silhouetting and everything are important, but we shouldn't be completely carried out in the mission of pleasing pro-players… otherwise we should just build grey boxes or tron-like environments.

    A map must be as fair as possible.

    Nah I dunno. I find a readable map makes a pleasurable experience. It's not so much about competitive for me but more about leaving every encounter feeling that i had a fair opportunity to determine the outcome. DoD is a different thing since 1 life/round is less valuable. A weird/random death isn't as annoying when you're fairly quickly back in combat.

    I understand and can agree, mine was just the first example (and closer as scenario) as i could think of.

    I'd hardly dscribe a death as "random", so many times you can see players not checking corners or not seeing a clearly seeable adversary.

    I may be wrong, but I wouldn't blame the map (art), maybe models for the factions playing the Inferno scenario should be revised for improved visibility for example...?

    In the end what i want to say, is just that i'm afraid this could lead to something that feels like a shooting range were only reaction time counts.

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    Silhouetting and everything are important, but we shouldn't be completely carried out in the mission of pleasing pro-players… otherwise we should just build grey boxes or tron-like environments.

    A map must be as fair as possible.


    Ciao Flavio


    I wrote an article last year about this exact issue: Visuals vs. Gameplay - Classic Tradeoff in Competitive Multiplayer Shooters


    Give it a read; it further expands on the idea that "Dejavo" pointed to.


    Cheers

    So first blatent hack I have seen today on a death match server, the guy had 23-0, you appeared and boom headshot dead, 1 bullet from the M4 everytime.

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    Don't know how to report, otherwise I would have.


    Press and hold tab to get scoreboard open. Use arrow keys to navigate up and down. Pick the culprits name, press enter. Select Report. Pick Reason, Submit.

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    interesting to see a team full of hackers on the main stage! props to the poles for having such a disregard for sportsmanship!


    ?!


    Assuming they didn't hack, which I don't think they did, it was well deserved. Individually, Virtus Pro players could step up in a way that NiP just couldn't do in general. Virtus Pro beasted through those two maps. GG.

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    Assuming they didn't hack, which I don't think they did, it was well deserved. Individually, Virtus Pro players could step up in a way that NiP just couldn't do in general. Virtus Pro beasted through those two maps. GG.


    watch some highlights, never seen so much shit in my life. hurr durr prefire every spot except this one case the man on our TS said they weren't there. kek.


    anyway, nip played like shit, look forward to VP selling some spuds to raise the funds for DHS

    Quote from Rick_D

    watch some highlights, never seen so much shit in my life. hurr durr prefire every spot except this one case the man on our TS said they weren't there. kek.


    anyway, nip played like shit, look forward to VP selling some spuds to raise the funds for DHS


    weren't they on the official ts? meaning everything they said was heard on the POV stream? shouldn't someone polish pick up on that?


    or maybe they were sneaky and were connected to two teamspeaks?

    Quote from Puddy

    weren't they on the official ts? meaning everything they said was heard on the POV stream? shouldn't someone polish pick up on that?


    or maybe they were sneaky and were connected to two teamspeaks?


    I can't imagine any team being able to cheat on an offline tournament. Also, all of them have a great sense of where ennemies are in general anyway (of which I most of the time don't understand how they do it, but it boils down to tactics, communications and off course knowledge of the game/map). Loved the bit where Snax managed to sneak up behind 3 NiP guys though


    Props to V.P, I think they deserved the win and I'm glad another team has entered top tier.

    TBH if you don't prefire like shit in tournament play, you're bad at the game. Seriously, when you know the positions and spots, prefiring an empty position means you wasted what 4-5 bullets? If you hit, you just got a free pick which is a HUGE deal - potentially round-winning if it does something like force a rotation or position change.


    e/ and it's not like Virtus.Pro are an unknown org either, back in the day they recruited the original NaVi lineup before they left to become NaVi - you know, starix, Zeus, markeloff, Edward ... those world-leading players. I'm pretty sure VP wouldn't have people who cheat representing them (even beyond how difficult it is to cheat at an offline tournament AT ALL when you turn up, plug your mouse/keyboard/headset into a tournament PC and play from there)...

    Quote from Rick_D

    interesting to see a team full of hackers on the main stage! props to the poles for having such a disregard for sportsmanship!


    You should check out their history, they where the best team in the world for a couple of years and had the nickname of "the golden five". They are a very beloved team for those who follow competitive counter strike due to the fact that they got screwed by organisations far more than any other team in the history of the game, this is probably the 10th orga that they represent not to mention that they spent many periods without any company backing them up and having to pay for everything out of their own pockets. At those times they used to play using the clan tag "Again". Despite all of this they managed to stick together since probably 2005 or something like that, all that time with the same lineup, that was only changed after CS:GO came out. They never gave up, even after having some disappointing results when they changed to CS:GO (they got a bit late into the game, and had to take some time to adapt)


    They winning this tournament is kind of the Cinderella story of Counter Strike, everyone was hoping for it, even though they had little chances, but they made it, and on their own country versus NiP (neo from VP and forest from NiP are considered the two best players of all time, so there's always a bit of a rivalry when they play against each other). It couldn't have been better.


    Regarding all the trash talk during matches, all players and teams act like that, VP where just a bit more vocal, but if you watch the pre and post game videos you can see VP players asking the crowd to cheer for the other team for example. They are known for being nice guys and most players like them.

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