"20 Brush" level compo! WIP / discussion thread

Rules look good, I think ill defiantly be going for a gameplay win and not artwise

why not both? I mean, it's 20 brushes...

Probably just ripped off a Q3 or UT map without even realizing it...

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We're not really being strict with the schedule, so what the hell? Submission thread is up! viewtopic.php?f=57&t=15843

Remember, this is for finished work only; keep your wip threads here or in the usual wip thread. Have fun!

I'd feel bad if wasn't it 20 brushes, honest.

how the hell can you make those trims with 20 brushes?

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how the hell can you make those trims with 20 brushes?

Subtraction? He textured those subtracted brushes with tiles. Rather simple way to do trims in Ued.

but isn't this illegal? its a concave brush isn't it?

yeah i was thinking that... there should be convex brushes only?

The brushes he used for subtraction are convex. Just one of the differences between the engines. You can see some similar subtractions in the Unreal entries in the leveldesign.nl contest. It's kosher.

Edit: here's a rough paintover of the convex brushes likely used to create the trims subtractively (I think I could have picked a better color ). I also assume that the U-shape platform and the 4 pillars were also created subtractively instead of additively (allowing 4 pillars to be created in 3 brushes instead of 4 and the upper U-platform to be created in 2 instead of 3 or more)

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Basically what kung fu said. And yep, the tower is 2 subtracts and 1 add for the pillar setup.

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Made this one today. Want to work with the lights and textures some more still.

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shouldn't that be allowed for other engines as well then? doesn't seem very kosher when those brushes are in fact concave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concave

The resulting BSP from the 4 brushes is a concave shape, but the individual brushes are convex. The BSP in the top right is just a combination of the 4 brushes on the left.

It's definitely at advantage Unreal has over purely additive based editors. Trying to pull off the same things in Hammer with boolean operations will result in it just breaking the brush up into pieces.

If that's allowed in this competition, why even try to make a level with Hammer or something similar since there's a disadvantage. I think it should be limited to Unreal then making this the Unreal 20 brush competition

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If that's allowed in this competition, why even try to make a level with Hammer or something similar since there's a disadvantage. I think it should be limited to Unreal then making this the Unreal 20 brush competition

i agree. or at least in the event that any engine tools can be used, that the differences between the engines are kept at a minimum

Have fun all, I released mine already. =)

I don't think I entirely agree CJ - there's definitely a lot of brush saving you can take advantage of through subtractive brushes.

Lets say you want a ring shaped platform. In purely additive engines you're looking at 1 brush per section of the ring, so the more curved it is the more cost there is in terms of brushes. Essentially this shape becomes impossibly expensive as you're gonna be spending almost half your budget on it for even a blocky one. Switch to an engine that allows subtractive geometry and you can have as smooth a ring platform as you like in just 2 brushes - add 1 cylinder, then subtract a smaller cylinder from the middle of it.

That said, as long as people take that sort of difference into account when judging, I don't really mind.

I think it's kind of a shame that there's only 1 entry allowed per person though, given the quick nature of building these maps. But hey, I've not finished my first one yet, so maybe it's a little early to be moaning

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I don't think I entirely agree CJ - there's definitely a lot of brush saving you can take advantage of through subtractive brushes.Lets say you want a ring shaped platform. In purely additive engines you're looking at 1 brush per section of the ring, so the more curved it is the more cost there is in terms of brushes. Essentially this shape becomes impossibly expensive as you're gonna be spending almost half your budget on it for even a blocky one. Switch to an engine that allows subtractive geometry and you can have as smooth a ring platform as you like in just 2 brushes - add 1 cylinder, then subtract a smaller cylinder from the middle of it.

That said, as long as people take that sort of difference into account when judging, I don't really mind.

I think it's kind of a shame that there's only 1 entry allowed per person though, given the quick nature of building these maps. But hey, I've not finished my first one yet, so maybe it's a little early to be moaning

quoted for truth !

also in unreal next to the add and subtract buttons there are 2 more i dont recalls what they are named but let me quickly explain what they do:

you can build complex geometry than envelope everything with a cube and press one of those buttons and the builder brush willasume the shape of what ever there is solid or empty that way you can build really complex stuff out of one brush ! and in fact you can import closed geometry from a 3d app as a brush shape:

2 of my old unreal maps where made out of 1 brush !

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of course there is static mesh stuff too but the lions share on those screenshots is one mega brush ! hope the rules account for those