Video games can never be art (?!)

    This Roger Ebert dude just don't get it... I don't know if you guys have seen his previous article "Video games can never be art", but he's back again with a reply to Kellee Santiago talk at TED.

    Kind of a old vid, but maybe you didn't see it yet:

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    And here's the article:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/04 ... e_art.html

    My feelings towards this topic are the same as this comment on that article:

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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see amazing things in video games and I don't require third-party validation. I know what moves me and there are many video games that do. If you don't see it, it's your loss and I'm sorry you're missing so much beauty.

    I hate movie critics. Bunch of pretentious idiots. "omg this movie sucks ass because it just came out 20 years ago and more then two people have ever heard of it".

    Ok Ebert is not that bad but he should shut up about things he knows absolutely nothing about.

    Also there is nothing more silly then people who only consider stuff art that they personaly like.

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    Ok Ebert is not that bad but he should shut up about things he knows absolutely nothing about.

    I think this is a good rule for the internet and humanity at large. Unfortunately, following that rule would cause both to go almost completely silent.

    Who really cares? I hope they are never classified as "art" by who ever, everyone appears to be waiting on to do so. Do we really want to have games put in with what ever makes it into that "elite" club? I wish people would stop trying to say what games are and look at what they could be. 90% of people don't give a shit about the story, to a bigger extent if its told though cut scenes. Who says its even suppose to be a story telling format. Sure most games do it and a few REALLY REALLY well, but the rest just follow along with space marine story 1001.

    Games are about interaction.

    I don't understand why he's involving himself in the issue of "Are games art", the guy clearly doesn't play them, or give a shit about them. It's like if Sarah Palin started saying stuff like "Books can't be exciting".

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    Who really cares? I hope they are never classified as "art" by who ever, everyone appears to be waiting on to do so. Do we really want to have games put in with what ever makes it into that "elite" club?

    art is one of those things best left unspoken of.

    Imo the people who don't consider video games art look at them from the wrong perspective. Most games will never be art exclusivly. Games are always many things at the same time and art is just one them.

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    Why did the wrong movie critic have to die?

    As a matter of fact Roger Ebert is dieing. Already lost his lower jaw due to cancer.

    It's a shame this generation's going to remember Ebert as "that old guy who makes statements about games without playing them" -- he's actually a pretty good movie critic and spearheaded the movement into making movie criticism into something everyone can enjoy and engage in. I'm just going to remember him by his reviewing philosophy, basically "judge a movie by what it's trying to do." It's really informed how I see and enjoy games.

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    As a matter of fact Roger Ebert is dieing. Already lost his lower jaw due to cancer.

    You're trying to make me feel bad about my insensitive post on the internet, aren't you?

    the reason why she puts that effort into convincing people games are art isn't really valid imho (our media has an impact on us). the discussion wether games are art or not is technically superfluous, but I think it's good that there are people who are putting effort into helping other people see why games are art.

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