Brazilian taggers

lol i just saw the video (didn't work yesterday).

So these kids are storming an art exhibition? Thats certainly the most PATHETIC case of "street art" that i've ever witnessed. The fact that these idiots are on top of it completely untalented only adds to it. They take the vandalizing aspect of graffiti to a whole new level. Usualy graffiti "artists" think their stuff is hot because they lack the half brain cell that is necessary to compute that it actualy looks like a splash of shit on a wall. But these guys, they actualy do it for the sake of vandalizing.

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HELLO MINO

Re: pixo

Sent at: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:47 pm

by KoKo5oVaR

How can you say you hate these guys when i can clearly see that you are implied at 4:27, "pixobomb" ....

Allow me to disagree with you guys, and shed a different light on the subject.

Although their methods are questionable, i agree with the principle behind this video. Art should be free, and everyone should be able to do art, not just those who are rich enough to go to school and study art. In a country like Brazil, where the gap between social classes is huge, i believe that a lot of teenagers that want to do art can't do it because the society they live in doesn't let them and so they must resort to the must rudimentary form of visual art, painting on walls. If you think about it they toke away everything that was "secondary" to art and focused on the most important aspect of it, spreading a message. You may see it just as scratches on a wall, but there is definitely a message behind it, and most of the times it's just a cry for attention, to make society know that they exist and that they have a need to express themselves but that we as a society choose to ignore and marginalize them.

It may not be aesthetically pleasant, but a lot of art nowadays isn't, and artists are getting more and more obnoxious, self centered and hypocritical. I actually enjoyed seeing the faces of all those at the exhibit, they are only capable of enjoying art that conforms with their rules, with what they call "classic art", and paid the price for ignoring these youngsters which choose to express themselves the only way they can.

If you study the origins of graffiti and tagging you will see that it's not about vandalism, it's about freedom. For example I live in a country that had a dictatorship not too long ago, and even today you see walls spread all over the country with messages from the revolutionaries and nonconformists (what must of you will call communists) of that time that fought for our freedom and spread their ideas trough paintings on walls, and in the end their voices where heard, and they turned into a revolution that made our country the democratic republic that it is today. We should do the same with theses kids, we should listen to what they have to say because they are the ones that have to deal every day with the reality of the streets, they feel on their skin the social discrimination that our society created, and if we don't it will only get worst.

About graffiti and tagging polluting our cities, there are actually some non written rules within the graffiti community that say that you shouldn't do graffiti in places of faith and devotion (churches, cemeteries, etc), in people houses without their consent, in memorial places or monuments, and on cars, but since this type of art is all about freedom of speech there are those who ignore these rules.

I think a nice example of how graffiti is more about the message than the vandalism is a new trend called "clean graffiti" or "reverse graffiti" which are drawings made using cleaning products (most of the times its just plain water) on dirty walls. The funny part is that must governments still try to fight this sort of graffiti and usually clean the rest of the wall. You can see this nice documentary about it on youtube:

I can kinda see where barrakid is coming from. I can't wait till 70 years from now when NYC connects with its "cultural diversity" and intentionally skins the train cars with graffiti.

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I disagree with you barrakid. It's too simple to always blame everything on the society and on poverty. It's mostly a strictly personal decission to become a criminal or a rowdy, except for the rare cases where people are driven by mental illnesses or when someone actualy has to steal food to feed his children. Poverty is not a carte blanche for anarchy. By that logic you also support murder, rape etc.

And you don't need a wall and spray paint to produce art. All you need is pen and paper something even the poorest can afford, unlike expensive cans of spray paint... It's also not true that you need to study art to be able to produce art. A lot of people on this forum alone are proof for that. Art museums often have days with free entry. In the city where i come from kids from poor familys can take art classes for free at the art museum. So these are not a privilege of rich people either.

If you want to call it discrimination that not everybody can afford to paint on canvas with oil colors then it's also discrimination that not everybody can afford a ferrari. But seriously thats bullshit.

I see this in germany. We still have a working social state, nobody who plays by the rules has to fear starvation or homelessness. Yet in some citys or parts of citys the crime rate and violence is high. The problem there is not poverty. The problem is that people feel entitled to all kinds of luxury without having to get their shit together and work up their way in the society.

what the wise wolf said. If your a great artist you will do fine no matter what your social standing is.

This vid makes me sad, it's like watching a stray monkey. De-evolution at it's worst