Quote from BubkeZ20 minutes ago, BubkeZ said: Hehe actually it's not an English Setter... but she is amazing... Global Elite and always one tap HS!
Really? My dog had the exact same face though and he was an english setter 
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Haha and she's global and you're silver 1? 
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Quote from 148811 minutes ago, 1488 said: If Salafism/Wahhabism wasn't a thing, there would be virtually no terrorism with Europe.
There will always be stupid people, but the other can protect the world from them !
Quote from D3ads1 hour ago, D3ads said: Islamic terrorism as the name suggests is islamic and has everything to do with religion, trying to argue otherwise is burying your head in the sand. This is not the same as saying all muslims are extremists and terrorists, which is obviously total rubbish, but there is a longstanding issue within certain branches and communities of islam. Today, islamic terrorism or jihadism is the largest terrorist ideology active globally, I can name over 30 islamist terrorist groups active as we speak, I can name less than 3 Christian ones and they are largely irrelevant in comparison. Whilst the vast majority of muslims are peaceful law abiding people, there are still significant numbers of those that for some reason act as supporters or sympathisers for extremists and terrorist organisations, a problem that isn't present within other religions. Muslims should never have to explain or take responsibility for any terrorist attacks like some people think they should, it's just asinine. I do become irritated however when following an attack and the authorities take action to follow inquiries and make arrests that there are always those who treat the situation as being about "persecution of muslims" or other such tripe. Still we should never try to turn the stakes into a war on Islam itself because that is playing into the hands of Daesh and others alike.
An iman once said that the problem is that it is said in either the Qur'an or the Hadiths (I forget which) that the prophet said that there would come a reformer to bring islam into the new age and that whilst some embrace this, others reject it. This is Wahhabism, the ultra conservative branch of islam which the Saudis retain, promote and spread all over the world. Much of this is about countering Iran's influence on the Middle East following the revolution of 79 in a long drawn out cold war that has been playing out ever since. Unfortunately it also spreads into Europe as well or Wahhabi followers from outside come into the continent and preach their venom and attempt to convert moderates into takfiris.
Indeed part of the issue is the history of colonialism, the creation of Israel and the US presence in the Middle East and of course.. OIL. But a large part is rooted within Islam; Christians do not blow themselves up in Mecca...
Maybe so, but the factors which makes it such a big issue are external factors. If it was only about ideology, we'd laugh about them trying to invade Europe with spears !
But unfortunately, they get both money and weapons to be really dangerous. And theyy seduce people all the more easily that society is messed up.
At least I think that has emerged from the constructive arguments given here the last few days.
I propably should restate what I said earlier by saying that fighting terrorism isn't at all about focusing on the religious aspect.
Quote from BubkeZ4 minutes ago, BubkeZ said: We will soon have a new playtest, I'm putting a lot of hours into testing after each compile so we can have a smooth playtest with hopefully no big surprises.
My biggest supporter is always with me during the tests!/BubkeZ
English setters always have been good players 
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Quote from FrieChamp25 minutes ago, FrieChamp said: It's fucked up. The guy who killed him must be a religious fanatic and a lunatic. I hate these people. It's especially tragic, because the store owner seemed to be a caring, much-loved individual and well-respected by the community he was living in. But you do realize that the store owner was also Muslim, right? I mean, you mention it, but then you go on to call "all" Muslims crazy...
See, in Germany, the regions that are the most against immigration are the ones with the lowest population of Muslims. It's funny because if all Muslims were violent fanatics then you would think that their Christian and atheist neighbors would be the first to complain about them. But instead it's the people who are afraid of the foreign(ers). And sadly these people also generalize a lot. I guess this can be seen at a bigger scale in all of Europe nowadays.
@laminutederire: Except for hundreds of thousands of Jews who fled their home countries? And who can blame them? Or the Syrian refugees? If my family and me were eating grass in Aleppo because Assad's troops are sieging the city for weeks or my town is about to be overrun by psychopaths who threaten to cut off our heads or enslave my wife then, hell yes, I would try to get the fuck away. And I think there is no shame in doing that. There are by the way a substantial amount of Syrians who picked up the fight against the dictator AND the religious fanatics and see how well that has worked out so far.
Just to be clear, I'm not arguing for open borders for everyone regardless of origin and without registration and background-checks. And I'm concerned about integration, too. But the other extreme of taking NOBODY in is IMO ice cold, inhumane and I won't stand for it,
I don't blame anyone, but personnally I'd rather die a hero than run away like that. I know it isn't easy, but when everyone flees like that it just gives the bad peoples there with all the power. But hey that's our fault as well since we all pay for those atrocities with oil buys etc.
However, you're right about two things, the more unaccustomed people are, the more racists they can become. And of course the main issue is integration. It always have been the issue with large immigration movements. For instance in France we had that issue with a part of Romanian immigrans who came here with no intend to integrate themselves in te society, and that causes a lot of issues. And the issue nowadays with the syrian immiggrants is that they come here mostly to be safe, and not to be part of Europe. Of course some want to blend in etc, but the fact that they come as an enormous flow, doesn't help them integrate or even want to integrate themselves. That's why accepting everyone like that isn't a solution. If anything we should place those peoples with an uniform repartition over the Europe, and let them know that this kind of support isn't going to be lasting forever unless they become a real part of the society. That would give them a chance to be safe while the situation is been solved, and also repopulate Syria afterwards.
2 hours ago, LizardPL said: I really appreciate solid discussion with you. I can agree on some of your points.
To the ISIS . A Lot of refugees are coming from areas where ISIS is taking over control. USA, UK, France and many others trying to stop ISIS now is a joke. They were pushing moneys from the beginning of war in Iraq. Now when people are running away from isis they are saying that they need to stop this and whats worse people are buying this shit.
I have very simple answer to the whole situation where muslim people are feeling disconnected from the rest of us.
Think this way. Would you accept their value system, mind set and mores if you were forced to run away from europe to Syria for example?
I'm 100% sure your answer would be "no". So who the hell thought that bringing 2 million muslim to the Europe is a great idea?
Yeah I know they flee their country mainly because of ISIS. I also know our politicians haven't really any once on credibility, and trust me I intend to do what I can to have better governments, but in the meantime I don't really see what can really force them to run away? I mean during the nazi era in Europe, people didn't run away and they did what they could to fight for their rights, why aren't they doing the same thing in Syria? That's the part I really don't understand at all, and that may be crucial for the well being of everyone. Because them leaving gives more power to ISIS and threatens Europe which won't have any penny to give to help migrants, and they will suffer from poverty etc, as, let's face it, they won't get jobs easily, since they don't speak the language and that unemployment rates are already high everywhere.
That unfortunately balance the fight in favor of ISIS instead of harming them..
@Vorontsov, maybe so, but not because they're muslims, but because they're religious. I can find a lot of examples like that in the Catholic conservative branch, which is really messed up with the extreme right wing, at least where I come from.
@Bevielis, @LizardPL I'm just used to have to verify sources because in science I often came upon fraudulent work on the Internet, saying false things.
As for the migrant crisis, I don't really see how it connects that closely to ISIS, I don't know if the Terrorists were part of the migrant move, but I don't think so. In the past, they mostly were western citizens being brainwashed there and when they got back they caused problems. That crisis certainly don't help, but if it was up to me, I'd let them go to the UK since they want to go there and well the UK makes the other countries pay for the expenses of us not letting them to go there. I'd also ne mindful of the schengen space agreement, those at the borders have to do what's needed to have the control on who is getting in, and who isn't. (And when I hear about Turkey wanting more money to do so, I laugh, because they won't do anything. ) once everyone will have their duties straight, there will be more control over the situation. And to me rejecting most of the people fleeing their country wouldn't be an inhumane thing to do, because fleeing has never been an option, for their country to go better they have to stay.
Anyway, it's a bit off-topic.
From what you guys say, I have to answer that yeah there are some issues with the Muslims populations, but thecauses of that aren't written in their sacred book. To me, it's more of a misinterpretation due to a lack of education, especially to philosophy, which is the pillar of the human right, and that people who don't understand it, mostly do so because of lack of intellectual awareness about the notions underlying it.
Sadly, everyone in Europe isn't understanding those either, but they comply more easily because of law obediance, and therefore don't cause much issues.
3 minutes ago, Bevielis said: " You can't just generalize from one example. "
Allah is just, allah is swift.
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What is the source behind that chart?
I see the url at the bottom; but I don't see where they get their figures from.
1 hour ago, LizardPL said: How can you explain a muslim store owner being chopped to pieces by another muslims just because he twitted "happy easter to my catholic clients". Will you justify that with societal, economical and political reasons ? They are simply crazy. Its all about thier value system being different.
First of all:
How can you explain a less than 10 years old kid killing his mother by shooting her with a gun, just because she idolized her kid's ability to aim? (I happened in the US a few weeks back) Because western people are all crazy? Not at all. You can't just generalize from one example.
Secondly, the societal, economics and political reasons explain why they get brainwashed by extremists people. They explain why they would do such an absurdity for the name of a religion they don't really know and follow. They don't explain the act itself, but why people would get to a state of mind where they could believe things which would make them do such things.
@(HP) from where do these statistics even come from? In my school there are a lot of Muslims, and while they can be annoying making noise late, not a single one has ever been violent with anyone, and not one has ever tried to convert someone to their religion. When you talk about it with them, they acknowledge the fact that what is put under n the name of Islam is messed up, but it isn't the religion they know. They also known it is their duty to change how people talk about that religion, precisely to show that those conservative movements in the middle east are everything but religion. Islamic countries where there really are issues are countries like Dubai, Saudi Arabia etc., countries where women have so limited rights for instance.
I think we won't agree on anything, because we don't mean the same thing for religions. I strongly believe because of what I know of history and society and philosophy, that religion isn't an irrational belief. You can't reason with religions because part of the religion is to set aside rationality for pure belief. Bit the choice to believe in any religion can be put down to rationality,for the sole fact that choosing not to use logic whatsoever is against the core mechanics of the human mind. Once this choice has been made by individuals, or by countries, religions merely act as cultural rules. The non pork policy in many religions comes from an historical reason, and mainly every rule has a logic origin. For all those reason, religion becomes a pre made morality for people who don't want to build their own.
What is happening with terrorists is amorality. They perfectly know that it isn't okay to rape people and kill them, but they do it anyway because they feel like morality hasn't a grasp on the world, and they don't have any duty to have any. That is what I meant when I talked about the fact the world was messed up and that it creates germs for fanatical movements.
Finally, why religion wouldn't be an object submitted to logic? It's an human construction, and therefore it has a particular structure which obeys to logic. I don't say it is the logic we are used to nowadays, but is a form of logic. It's the rationality of Rome or Ancient Greece, which has endured ages all the way to the 18-19th century. I'm talking about induction, the way how science was built upon. Inductive logic can explain lots of religious rules, but we don't see it as logic, because that type of method is fundamentally wrong if you want to access something true. It sometimes work, but science has left that because it would have been stuck to trivial things otherwise. And that may be why today that's what people think about when they think about rationality.
I know I rationalize a lot of things, but while I respect your point of view, and that I stand by mine, I don't think that this is the kind of debate from which will arise the solution to our problems. Solutions will arise from changes on our societies.
It isn't about religion, it is about money and power.
In a world where it is all about that, people are getting neglected and screwed over, as well as plainly ignored and left to die. That's basically the case for the poorest people, let it be in Africa, in the Middle East, everywhere in the world. From that point forward, there are three paths mainly. The first one is the path of anger and vengeance. People are getting screwed over, they want to attack the society and kill it as it is. They want a better life for everyone but doesn't know anything else to achieve that rather than violent vengeance.
A second approach, which is in my opinion Daesh approach, is the pragmatic one. The world has fundamentally wrong values, and the same people who get undermined in life, they want to be in charge, and profit of the system for once. They then use the vices of the system to grow and take over the power. In their case they have no power through righteousness, so they create a climate of instability so that they could benefit from a coup de grâce which will grant them real power. The religious fanatism is then a front for that. It's a way to take advantage of people lost in life, or people who want answers about how to make the world a better place because they are fed up with the current society.
The third path is the path everyone should take, if it was up to me. It is the path where you acknowledge that the world is kinda bad on some points, but you are still seeing that there are some good things in life as well. And you try to build upon what's good for the society, to fight what isn't. From such state of mind come great society entrepreneurs who are trying to rethink or modify the system to make it work in more humane way.
That being said, religion remains a cover for more dark thoughts. It becomes a justification, it becomes a story which is given to make people hope for something and make them do anything for it.
To explain myself more thoroughly, I could talk about the philosophical approach of goodness. A philosopher once shocked his class (it was Comte-Sponville) by asking if a nazi was necessarily doing evil. By that he opened up the never ending question of: can you do evil on purpose? It seems to me that religion is then a tool to make people think they aren't doing evil, because they are supposed to do it for the common good, while they clearly aren't doing that. So it isn't about religion, since religion is a tool, not the idea beneath it.
Final argument would be that: what happens when you ask a Muslim about these attacks? He says to you that these terrorists aren't Muslims, because that's not what the religion they believe in teach them. They can explain to me a Lot better, why the religion terrorists are talking to is like a transvestite posing as Islam, because they can explain to you how against every principle of their religion it is against.
Now you may not be convinced, but these are the rational arguments I have to support why it isn't about religion.
I may have misspoked since in france nationalistic wings are the racist one's. So for that I apologize to have made that shortcut which isn't applicable in other countries.
However, if you want to go down that road, there are basically two ways to solve things. Close borders, and begin a throrougly executed war is one of them. Don't get me wrong, the western world can send millions of people to die in wars. It's certainly the easiest way around the issue. The second way is to cut down those terrorists group at their roots. Their roots aren't religion at all. They lie in the imperfections of the capitalistic approach of the world. Daesh lives from that, it's a very profitable company even. Thus it can exist until a better company of that sort arrives, ready to do things even more dangerously, or until the money driven world lets them survive. We all know all the money the USA gave them 5 years ago during the arab spring, as well as we all know all the money Turkey give them for cheap oil. Why do everyone give them money? Because it's the cheapest option, rather than doing things the right way. That's why I stand corrected behind the idea that terrorism will stop the day we will have solved our own problems, because they won't be able to seduce people that way.
I seem to understand I'm one of the few to think that the first option is the worst of the two, but I fear that will always be a temporary solution. But hey, call me narrow minded, but be my guest, we'll see in 20 years how the world will be with both approaches.
Quote from KoKo5oVaR10 minutes ago, KoKo5oVaR said: The troll alert is flashing RED
Unfortunately people thinking like that aren't trolling, they most of the time think that. Why do you think we have extremism here as well? Our extremism which is nationalism is coming from narrow minded thoughts like that...
One thing that bugged me was the fact that there isn't always comment on pictures showed in the article. That may be that way because I'm used to scientific research articles. But if a picture isn't explicitly linked to the argumentation it can be confusing.
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Quote from RivFaderOn Monday, March 21, 2016 at 4:19 PM, RivFader said: I suppose there is no update on this?
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Quote from 14886 hours ago, 1488 said: Monitor every muslim person? lmao
It's time to wake up my European brothers, take back your homes before these people take them from you.
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Yeah 8 attacks from Irish Republicanists is enough!
Our home is our home, we have to go on our lives and be the bigger men. We have a lot to do to have a model society, and since then Daesh will still find people to attack us like that.
If we create a better world, their number will grow fewer and the organization will come to an end.
It won't be done by being aggressive.
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We should give them PC'S and Steam accounts !
Look at Europe, one of the place where we play the most, and yet one of the most peaceful.
(Yeah we do stupid wars but that's because of old people who don't play ! )
On a more serious note, I think the cathartic power of games can be real, and that little stuffs like that could maybe nudge everyone in the right direction! Certainly better than bombing innocent people in Syria in retaliation for attacks.
I get severely frustrated because I can't see CT's properly, there isn't enough contrast on some part of the map 
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Quote from Vaya4 hours ago, Vaya said: Another month, another terror attack in the west. I don't like the fact that people are almost getting used to these- sure it's at the top of the news but I'm seeing less public clamor and outcry with each attack.
Thoughts go out to any Belgians that read or post here- it must suck no longer feeling safe in your home country.
Belgium has always been a place where a lot of dormant terrorists were, so they weren't safe already, but indeed that sucks...
Unfortunately there must be attacks everywhere in the Europe for the politician to do something or to let their place to others who want to do something.
I hope we are all going to work it out and stop these attacks !
Thought out to Belgium...
