Quote from st0lveThe people who made them didn't appology, the goverments and such did it.So its like me saying sorry cause posty insulted you.
They did apologize. For insulting the muslims, not for printing it.
The muslims also wanted the government to apologize, but it couldnt because it has nothing to do with the media
Quote from The PostmanDisplay MoreOkay. Smaller words.
The Danish make bad picture.
The Muslims mad at picture.
The Danish laugh.
The EU make more picture.
The Muslims get more mad.
The EU goes "uh oh!"
The Muslims riot.
RD says "lol stupid violent beasts lol"
The Danish make bad picture.
The Muslims mad at picture.
The Danish apologize.
The Muslims: death to all Danish
The EU make more picture.
The Muslims get more mad.
The EU goes "uh oh!"
The Muslims riot.
The Muslims massacre dozens
RD says "lol stupid violent beasts lol"
Posty says: what did you expect. You deserve to die.
But seriously, you cant be surprised by 911. You cant be surprised when they behead you. You cant be surprised by anything they do. Why do you even explain it to me, you should be condemning their madness but instead you attack those who print cartoons
Quote from The PostmanYour inability to use logic astounds me yet again.
No. It's not okay that they hate you all. I am explaining it. I am not justifying it. Should I use smaller words for you?
Dont fool yourself. You are not explaining anything. You are calling me an idiot for disagreeing with their hatred
Quote from The PostmanLogical fallacy. Appeal to emotion. Your attempted jab misses its mark.
Mawibse is only repeating your argument Posty :roll:
This whole muslim riot thing is a logical fallacy and appeal to emotion, but you accept it because theyre poor, oppressed muslims.
Go ask a muslim what should happen to Salman. NOW
Exactly Strat.
Quote from The PostmanAs for the points about the cartoons you've just made again regardless of any logic thrown your way. You folks made the cartoons, you reprinted the cartoons to antagonize the Muslim world and now you're crying that they don't like you? You can't be that obtuse.
Wait.. you are saying because a few individuals printed cartoons, its ok they hate us all, and we are racist xenophobes. :roll:
Quote from mawibseConsciousness is not just thoughts, it's the awareness of an 'I' as well.
And what is the awareness of an I made of if not of thoughts?
Basically you say there is something else than our thoughts that controls our will, which is exactly what i said was the logical conclusion.
So who writes stuff like that?
Quote from The PostmanI have a day-job you flamebaiting moron. I have encountered muslims before, and they've been nice normal folks just like any others. Now you're just trolling. Get on topic or get the fuck out of Poli-Disc.
You have encountered muslims before? Omfg. You make it sound like you occasionaly meet a pair.
I have a job. I meet thousands of muslims on my 10 minute way over to it. They are all nice to me.
Seriously where do you live that you think you know what youre talking about. You dont meet thousands of them when you go on the street, and you call us xenophobes? Our cities here are 50-80% foreigners. We have more muslims in a country the size of LA than you have in 10 states combined.
Well anyways, i will let you get away with the other points you dodged. But seriously ask them what should happen to the cartoonists and dare say something about it. Over here it has become impossible to do so without fearing for your life, so enjoy it while you still can.
Quote from mawibseLets go with your idea that the two "thoughts" dictating the decision is something you have no control over, how does this logically mean that the decision is something I have no control over?Its like saying that if you could pick the two doors yourself, from which you will choose one, then it would be a free choice, but if someone else put the two doors there, then choosing one of them is not a free choice?
Because a conscious choice is made of thoughts too, the same thoughts or doors that were put there by someone else.
If you cant choose the doors at the beginning of your thought process CONSCIOUSLY, then you have no free choice of where you will end. One thought will go somewhere, another thought will go somewhere, up to the point what we call consciousness and meet each other. Then you believe you can make a conscious choice between the two.
But in order to make a conscious choice between the two, there has to be more thoughts than those two, or you wouldnt be able to think about the thoughts. You cant make a conscious choice without thinking.
Its so mindboggingly simple that its complex.
Quote from st0lveHave you ever met any Muslims or Islamic believers? Well I have. And none of them have insulted me nor any others of my friends, they aren't more violent than any generic people and they aren't intollerant. They were much like your everyday people. (Yeah they live in Norway, living here for 3 years)
You are still in denial of the problem. They ARE nice as long as you do what they want. This whole discussion is about them turning into killing machines when they dont get their way. Ask any of your friends what should happen to the cartoonists or Salman Rushdie.
But youre just too lazy to do it and find out. Ive asked Posty as well but hes afraid of the truth too, or he doesnt have any muslims living around him.
Maybe you think its ok for them to condone the killing or beheadings of blasphemizers? Or you think its a joke when they say it with a smile?
LOL
you thought de griezelbus was great?
Anyways about the map, AWESOME. Just fix the fog and lighting.
fucking awesome
They have no reason to be angry and they were never pestered to a boiling point by the west. It is only a self-imposed illusion that you are feeding by telling them its true.
Posty you mentioned iraq, afghanistan, abuse of the koran etc etc.
This happens to all religions. They burn bibles, they kill christians, they blow up giant statues of Buddha and show it on their news, they are in several warzones involving christianity, indonesia, darfur, chechnya, all way before we invaded Afghanistan (which wasnt pestering, the Afghans are actually delighted to be rid of the taliban). They bomb our capitals, they behead european artists that criticise Islam, they bomb our subways, they bomb our tourist hotspots, they bomb our churches, the bombed our trainstations, they behead little schoolgirls, they behead westerners on their tv channels, etc etc etc. We have just as much reason to be angry, even tho there is no "them" that did all these things to us. There is also no "us" that they should be angry at.
But you Posty are giving muslims the special treatment and believe that they have the right to be angry because they are muslims. Btw i didnt dodge any of your points 
The 911 remark was about you saying they were relatively quiet before WE started it all. But it was in fact Osama which set it all off, so thats them as much as Bush is us.
Exactly, and this is what we have to promote over there, the slow removal of Islamic state regimes. Not stupid antagonistic cartoons.
Thats a diffrence of opinion and not me dodging your point. The slow removal of Islamic regimes, yeah right. I didnt see you wait patiently after 911, but guess what we did after Madrid and London. We turn the other cheek and they boil over. Were there any riots about these bombings?
I knew this would fly right over your head. Should I break out the finger puppets to explain it monosyllabically for you? The cartoons only fanned the flames and gave an excuse for the people in the governments in these countries to really whip the crowd into a frenzy. Ever action by the EU afterwards only added fuel to that fire. The sickness is a universality because it can effect anyone, in this case it has infected the impoverished peoples of the ME.
If there is even one american weblog with those toons on them, you are a hypocrit. The only reason you arent in the same shit as Denmark is that they dont get many news updates in the middle east and are too busy right now. One email to the right person and all your embassies will burn, whether the email is fake or not is irrelevant. Imagine us calling you racist and xenophobic then.
Yes, this is about a toon, printed or not is absolutely irrelevant. If it hadnt been printed they would today be rioting because it simply exists or because a westerner wore his shoes in a mosque.
Way to dodge the point, retard.
The tiger thing wasnt a dodge, you just didnt understand it.
After all this has happened the only logical conclusion is that the toon was true, the author had every right to portray his opinion. Those who become violent over the toon become violent over Muhammed. The truth hurts, but its not racist.
Quote from The PostmanConsidering the entire Muslim world was relatively quiet
As quiet as 911.
Quote from The PostmanModerate Republicans voted Bush into a second term based on fear-mongering strategies that Muslims were gonna get them. This is no different.
Did you Americans ignore the problem after Bush was voted in again? Or did you in fact confront it? You confronted it, your media is slaughtering the man and 60% of you think it was a mistake.
I will pinpoint the difference for you: Islam is still perfect and flawless, the riots are completely justified.
The same thing happened to the Nazis, the same thing happened to the Stalinists, and every movement that involved inciting the poor to riot against their oppressors. The sickness is universal no matter how many times you try and pin this strictly on the Muslims as a whole. This isn't an excuse for their actions, RD, it's an explanation, however I'm fairly certain this will fly clear over your head.
You agree that it is a sickness and that it has to be dealt with. Universal or not is really irrelevant, but just to point it out: muslims in the ME didnt vote for Bush and christians arent muslims. Thats how universal being angry over an islamic cartoon is.
Cancer is universal and you treat it. The nazis didnt go away by being nice.
Are you truly this fucking stupid? Denmark made the cartoons. Denmark printed the cartoons. The EU reprinted those cartoons after the small initial backlash. Then cocky politicians started touting the cartoons as the pinnacle of free-speech when in reality it was just xenophobia for having so many North Africans moving into their countries.
Yes it's the West's fault in this case. You poke a fucking tiger long enough with a stick and the fucker's gonna take a swing at you.
A fucking tiger is a mindless killing machine. So... you agree with me? 
Anyways, what do you guys suggest as a solution?
Someone who becomes a mindless killer over a toon isnt moderate. That is exactly the sickness. What other approach is there?
Quote from DaanOThere are logical gaps in your proof, circular reasoning among them. All the time i agreed with you and i was aware of that i just disagree with the logic behind it.
Where is the gap then
You got the same lamp as me srkd!
you got d3's shirt on
So now you agree with me because its logical. Excellent. We are making a little progress. As for the logical proof, just read all my posts again
the best thing to do when insulting islam is punishable by death is to all insult islam, instead of being cowards and running away. This has happened before and probably a million times, its time they get rid of their sickness
