Posts by RD

  • Burnin the American flag

    This is my thread Postman, and i decided what it was about, not you :roll: You have missed the point of its creation. This isnt about the cloth being burned. Its about the principles behind it :roll: :roll:

    Quote from The Postman

    how your country fucked up with cartoons

    This shows you are against the freedom of speech. You are only in favor of it when your own culture is criticized. But as soon as there is criticism of another culture, its "fucked up".

    It is plain discriminative, no matter how hard you try to flee away, moaning that it has no bearing.

    Try to explain it Postman :roll:

    I dare you.

  • Burnin the American flag

    Quote from The Postman

    My ad homs have weight because you are a moron, RD. Through and through. This isn't an argument of world-wide freedom of speech. This is an argument of free-speech in the US. Nothing more. Strictly within that ballpark and you're injecting your usual omg-muslims crap into the conversation for no reason with no bearing. There is no logical fallacy here. There is only you trying to inject something into a conversation where it has no place.

    In the last 3 pages i have only been talking about strictly the US. Not the middle east or the rest of the world.

    Youre not free to burn symbols in your own country, you are not in favor of it unless its your own flag. You allow it because you simply dont care. Not only does that defeat the purpose of burning it, but it is plain racist.

    Racism is a complex word Postman, there are many kinds of it. You have to be very careful not to discriminate your own race out of fear for a population that wants to defeat your values.

    It is racist to treat any culture differently than your own laws subscribe. You must also demand all citizens IN YOUR OWN COUNRY to follow your laws, and not just your own race/religion/culture, because again, it would be plain racist not to.

  • Burnin the American flag

    Quote from The Postman

    Now what is your argument against flag burning. Just flag burning. No UFOs, no Korans, no woe-is-Denmark. Just flag-burning.

    I am in favor of the freedom to burn all symbols, including your flag. But it is discriminative to yourself and all americans to only allow the burning of your own symbol. It is, in plain simpleness, a sign that your values are inferior to values that support violence to get respect. In even simpler terms: you admit that the freedom of speech is a logical fallacy. So you either ban it, because equal is still better than inferior, or you respect freedom.

    Btw your ad hominems are useless. Youre not arguing with me, your arguing with the freedom of speech

  • Burnin the American flag

    Quote from The Postman

    No. Not at all. My point is that one is national the other is not. The flag burning ammendment only effects people in the US. The burning of a Koran or some-such other symbol effects more than just any one nation.

    Then again my point this entire retarded conversation has been that you're injecting bullshit into an argument where it simply does not have any bearing at all. It still has no bearing and will never have any bearing.

    It has bearing, but you have to think outside the political correct prison surrounding your mind to get it.

    In America, you defend the freedom to protest against yourself, but you oppress the freedom to protest against others. Out of respect for different cultures or religions, you disrespect your own citizens.

    From what ive seen Posty, you are in favor of the freedom to burn the flag, simply because you dont care and its just a piece of cloth. But the underlying principle that youre in favor of it because it demonstrates freedom, has completely gone over your head. This is demonstrated by the fact that you are against the freedom to burn a cloth that you do care about.

    The paradox Fletch talks about isnt just misunderstood by ppl that want flagburning banned, its also misunderstood by ppl that want the burning of other symbols banned.

  • Burnin the American flag

    Quote from The Postman

    Burning or destroying a religious symbol anywhere invokes strong response ANYWHERE in the world. You can do so in America, but it does nothing to help the scenario elsewhere in the world. The GOVERNMENT cannot do it because it is a direct attack on the religious values and rights of her citizens. The CITIZENS can (unless it's a burning cross because that has racist connotations) and it just looks as moronic as some jackass torching a flag.

    Thats what i thought your reasoning boiled down to: because a religious symbol invokes a stronger response, it should get more respect.

    What does burning a flag prove?

    Quote from Section_Ei8ht

    Burning a flag in the US proves that you can criticise those who have power over you without fearing for your life.

    Burning a religious symbol in the US, proves that you can criticise a culture/religion without fearing for your life.

    If theres violence in return to either of those, then theres a problem?

    There is no excuse that a symbol is an ancient interracial non-state entity. All of these are flawed arguments, and the ppl that you call racists actually had an incredible insight into the problem. The violence proves their criticism was just.

    A man burning your flag and getting blown up by a government missile, was fighting for your freedom. But if it was a religious symbol he was burning, and a religious bomb that killed him, he was a racist.

    :roll:

    That is what happened with the muhammed cartoons matey.

  • Burnin the American flag

    Quote from The Postman

    This is about a law in the US on US soil dealing with a US symbol. It is more important here than anywhere else because it deals with the US.

    The religious symbol is NOT a national symbol and its importance can be felt anywhere there are followers of that religion.

    Goddamn man, do I need to draw diagrams with stick figures?

    Now youre answering a question i didnt ask.

    If there are americans that find it offensive their flag is burned, it doesnt matter to you does it? You would speak out in favor of the freedom to protest.

    But if there are religious folks in your country whose symbol is burned, it suddenly matters and you oppress those who wish to protest. The question is why? The only logical conclusion is that you expect atheists to be more tolerant than believers, which is positive discrimination.

    And yes you can use diagrams to explain it :roll:

  • Brilliance has a new name: Locoroco

    I saw this game on TV and i immediately recognised its brilliance. Its one of those games made by crazy japs. Unfortunately its for the PSP and i dont have one, but i would almost buy it for this game.

    [Blocked Image: http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1093/locoroco2zv.jpg]

    You play a blob that can grow or multiply, and you move around the world by rotating the level. Absolutely genius.

    Watch some videos here to understand it a bit better:

    http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/loco ... q=locoroco

  • Burnin the American flag

    Quote from The Postman

    Because a symbol pretaining to a nation, within that nation is more pertinent to that nation. A religious symbol has no national boundaries.

    Why is a symbol that is more pertinent, less important than a symbol that is less pertinent?

  • Israel vs. Palestine

    Quote from Polaris

    Depends on who you ask. But it was probably an Israeli missile that killed them. A missile intended for the Palestinian rocket launching sites ironically enough.

    There was an investigation and it was most probably a landmine planted by palestinians to stop israeli commandos from entering by beach, which they did the week before. Also the shrapnel and crater was investigated and concluded to be from a landmine. At least thats what my media told me

  • Israel vs. Palestine

    Quote from st0lve

    I wouldn't say capturing a military personal as everyone. It's worse to fire missiles that are 50-50 of hitting civilians insted of military.

    In the past 2 weeks Palestinians have fired hundreds of missiles into Israeli cities.

    In response btw, to a palestinian landmine that killed 9 palestinians on a beach.

  • Israel vs. Palestine

    Quote from st0lve

    So you count all as one? If your friends stole a car, you are to go to jail with him? You cannot blame an entire country for the actions of few.

    Isnt that exactly what Palestinians are doing by targeting all of Israel?

  • Burnin the American flag

    Quote from The Postman

    One is a domestic issue of national importance and the other is a non-state issue of religious importance. Now you're just being obtuse.

    Again, the same answer: one is a religious symbol and the other isnt. And again, the same question for you: why is a religious symbol more important than a symbol representing other values?

  • Israel vs. Palestine

    I think it would be hypocrite to judge either side, but if i was going to judge one this time, it would be the palestinians. They started it again

  • Burnin the American flag

    Still the same answer: one is a flag, and one isnt. It doesnt answer the question mate. Why do you place one above the other? They both represent a culture and its values. Im not saying you should explode in fury when the flag is burned, but you must expect the same tolerance from others in your own country, even if their religion crosses borders.

    You expect it from christians, not to go on riots when a bible is torn apart somewhere, you expect it from evrybody not to riot or be violent for whatever reason, even your own government when they see its flag burning, but you dont expect it from muslims. Do your laws only count for white men?