Quote from The PostmanAnd I'm against the government burning the Koran. I've stated this repeatedly. Honestly RD are you just trolling now or are you actually this stupid?
In Europe the government hasnt done any of this, but you still said Europe fucked up by printing a toon. How can it befucked up, if you are in favor of the freedom to do such things? Either you meant that ordinary ppl in europe shouldnt have the freedom to draw cartoons, or you meant something else which i cant grasp.
There is no need to make things personal Scraps 
I feel misunderstood by you, so i added the special paragraph that summarizes the discussion.
I am in favor of the equal treatment of your flag to any other symbol. Postman is against this, and im not sure what your stance is
Quote from ScrapsWait. By supporting the freedom of Americans to criticize religion, I'm for free speech.
But if I support the freedom of Americans to criticize their own government, I'm anti-free speech?
Jesus christ, you're a nutsack.
This is exactly the opposite of what i said in your quote.
It is also a flipflop of what you said earlier. You now say you support the freedom to criticize religion, but you called it racism earlier, and racism is forbidden by your very own laws:
Quote from ScrapsThey can still burn religious symbols but now if they try to burn an American flag, they're committing a crime. So while they can commit racist speech on their own time, they can't speak against the country
I am in favor of the equal treatment of your flag to any other symbol. Postman is against this, and with your confusing flipflops im not sure what your stance is.
Quote from The PostmanSo, you were trolling. How are you a mod here, again?
I did it to be constructive. Someone must reteach America what freedom really is
Quote from ScrapsLet me break this down to the basest level of American free speech law:
Our government represent our citizens but our citizens may not necessarily represent our government. People in public positions are supposed to be representing the public. They're not acting in a civilian capacity, they're acting in a civilian capacity. As soon as Tom P. Official clocks in to work, he's not Tom P. Official. He's the ________ that represents all the American people.
So while Denmark may have gotten fucked when the Islamic people decided that the actions of one paper represented the whole country, America doesn't operate in such an official manner. One person/paper/thing doesn't represent all of us unless they're acting in an official capacity.
I read the cartoon thread, too. What Postman is arguing is that in an official capacity (what the soldiers were), we shouldn't burn religious symbols. If these soldiers were off-duty, they should be able to. We should certainly have the freedom to burn religious symbols (and we do) but there are irresponsible ways of exercising those freedoms.
Not sure why youre explaining that ppl in official positions have to be more responsible, sport. Nobody in an official position burned any religious symbols or drew/printed any cartoons about religion, not even in Europe.
By allowing a constitutional amendment to get rid of flag burning, you're stripping a civilian of their right to show displeasure with their own nation. They can still burn religious symbols but now if they try to burn an American flag, they're committing a crime. So while they can commit racist speech on their own time, they can't speak against the country.Roger dodger, cowboy?
Theres something you are forgetting. Criticizing a religion is neither racist nor discriminative. There is valid criticism on certain values that certain religions preach. You can close your eyes to its retarded values only up to a certain point: the point where it doesnt hurt other ppl For example that condoms are forbidden and letting a billion ppl die in Africa is retarded. But i guess in America, because christianity is your own religion, you close your eyes to it. Here in Europe we criticize such backwards values. Its ok to criticize the pope, its ok to criticize Jesus for what he said. It must be ok to criticize all leaders and prophets that ever spoke hatred of other cultures and races.
Especially in the case of the cartoons, the violence following the publishing, prior to it and in other countries proved the cartoons to be a valid protest. When a religion goes out of control, you confront it with words, or you wipe it out like Waco.
Besides all that, it is plain discriminative to compare all those that criticize religion to ppl that scream nice man in Harlem matey
Quote from st0lveI bet that they don't even care about that soldier, they just want to remove Hamas with power. Which won't work because the more they fuck up Palestine, the more votes Hamas will get.
Nothing wrong with getting rid of Hamas. Its an organisation that intentionally targets civilians: a terrorist organisation.
Quote from st0lveI'm getting really pissed now, this soldier is just an excuse to take back parts of Gaza, or crushing Palestine to the ground.Talk about fair, for 1 soldier you have to kill 10+ kids, who haven't done shit.
Ofcourse this isnt just about the soldier but also the hundreds of missiles that are landing on Israeli cities each week, fired from Gaza.
Quote from The PostmanNever absolved anyone of their actions. I never said either was right or correct. Re-read.
You said its fucked up 
Its true you didnt say they were right, because it means they were wrong.
Either way this has gone way beyond whether or not flag burning should be legal and has gone into the realm of RD bitching about Islamic cartoons again. So unless you've got any new points or opinions on the subject of the proposed (and failed) US flag burning ban, then I consider the matter closed and myself the victor.
I actually created this daring thread for it to evolve like it did. Its about the principles of freedom, and not the cloth. The thread has gone naturally to the weak points in your argument against the ban. Unfortunately you dont recognize this argument, simply because you hear the word Islam. I tried to just replace it with the word religion but then you thought i was talking about ufos.
This is not about you or me Postman, but about something much bigger and more epic. In the end, the freedom of speech has won this argument. But between you and me, the jury of Kleinluka, Skjalg, Kokos, Pericolos0 and Killertomato have condemned you to losing.
Quote from The PostmanDid I ever say it was legal or right? Re-read.
Yes you did.
Quote from The Postmanhow your country fucked up with cartoons
Quote from The Postmanyou tools fucked up with that cartoon and its reprinting
Quote from The PostmanYeah, if I wear a "FUCK read the rulesS" shirt in Harlem it's not my fault for choosing to wear the shirt, it's those unruly hoodlums' fault for beating the living shit out of me. Great logic. Avoiding responsibility for one's own actions is a great way to go about things.Why, I shouldn't be beheld to any laws because it's not my fault I did anything, it's simply the State's fault for getting upset that I did! They need to get over it.
Yeah it looks awesum. How about an overview of it?
Are there 2 platforms, one for each side of the skybox?
Welkom steef
This thread is a year old so im not sure if anybody still making maps for gunman chronicles :wink:
Quote from The PostmanNo RD, what I'm saying is "do what you will, wear what you'll wear, but accept the consequences of your actions." It absolves neither party but it recognizes the cause/effect of what goes on.
Apparently you dont recognize the causes and effects, because you dont recognize there is a problem. You think violence is a normal and acceptable way of dealing with criticism? :roll: That violence is predictable doesnt mean its all righty
Unfortunately for you, you live in the western world and its unlawful to assault or kill others for whatever reason other than self defense
If you dont like your own laws and freedoms, why do you live there?
Quote from The PostmanD&D = debate & discussion. No one ever said your speech should be curtailed to satisfy any culture, but you should probably step up to the plate and accept responsibility for your actions if they garner negative results. Understanding and dealing with a situation does not = being oppressed.
I dont think you even grasp what you are saying yourself. If you really believe what you just said, you wouldnt mind the entire US being like Harlem... having the freedoms that white ppl have in a black ghetto.
Its nothing more than pretending, because you only talk like this because you dont live there and never have to deal with it.
Your tactic of dealing with extremism has only made the situation explode globally. You just let it grow and then throw bombs on it [Blocked Image: https://migrationtest.mapcore.org/public/style_emoticons/default/mapcore_smilies/emot_shakehead.gif] Its not working matey [Blocked Image: https://migrationtest.mapcore.org/public/style_emoticons/default/mapcore_smilies/emot_shakehead.gif]
If you meant what you said about accepting responsibility for intentionally pissing off violent ppl, then you got alot of death and destruction to accept.
Quote from The PostmanOh I get it, you switched my name in there! Haha! Haha! No, it doesn't work like that. If you wear something with the explicit intention of pissing someone off you can't be surprised if it pisses someone off, and while they aren't fully justified in the ass-beating you'll receive, it's something that will more than likely happen. Does it make it right? No. Does it still happen? Yes. Does that mean that one should accept responsibility for one's own actions in the face of such recourse? Yes.
Thats exactly why Harlem has been such a shitty hood for decades. You support the murder of anybody that wants to change it and confront the violence with words. You do this because you believe anybody that criticizes black ppl is a racist. Likewise you believe the same of anybody that criticizes religion. Dont you understand that the mere fact that its dangerous to protest against certain cultures, proves that it needs to be confronted with the year 2006?
It is actually the contempt for your own race that blinds you from the truth [Blocked Image: https://migrationtest.mapcore.org/public/style_emoticons/default/mapcore_smilies/emot_shakehead.gif] In your eyes there is no such thing as valid criticism of other religions, cultures or races, but only your own right?
Any time I show one of my friends from SA's D&D this forums and your guys' posts they cringe and shudder and ask me how I can manage to stay sane. Yeah, it's been debated here before and it was retarded.
What does Dungeons & Dragons have to do with this?
You know in Europe we had an open debate about this with over half a billion ppl. They all agreed that the freedom of speech should not be oppressed to satisfy a violent culture. It is retarded :roll:
Government shouldn't do certain things because it effects the entire nation unjustly.
Who said anything about the government doing it? Trying to change the subject? 
Wait.... suddenly you are in favor of the freedom to burn religious symbols? Flipflop? :roll:
While i welcome your embrace of freedom, its sad that you dont have it. Your government might be ok with it (but probably isnt), its not your government your criticising by burning religious symbols!
The freedom of speech, is being able to say whatever, without fearing for your life. You cant do it.
Apparently all this time you havent understood the government wont kill you, but the ppl you are criticizing will.
And you had the courage to call ppl that criticize this violence, cowards. This is a giant flipflop :roll:
Quote from The Postmanhow your country fucked up with cartoons
Quote from The Postmanyou tools fucked up with that cartoon and its reprinting
Quote from The Postman
I'm the one that didn't want the flag burning ammendment to pass and who thinks that burning the Koran is an abomination. You lose, RD.
Freedom isnt just allowing what you like and banning the rest :roll:
i like the sky. Instead of the top rows of the buildings, make the streets more lit.
Quote from The PostmanI have, repeatedly. You lose, RD.
You havent defeated me. You have defeated the freedom of speech in your own country. Congratulations :roll:
Quote from The PostmanRe-read your own thread. It's there, repeatedly in size 12 arial font type. Lay off the rolleyes guy, he's getting a headache from your abuses.
You cant explain it can you :roll:
Quote from The PostmanI have. Repeatedly. You just don't care to use logic in your posts.
Well then explain it again. Why is it ok to burn western symbols and fucked up to burn others? In your own country.
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