Burnin the American flag

    Quote from RD

    It has bearing, but you have to think outside the political correct prison surrounding your mind to get it.

    Oh fuck you and your "prison" bullshit. You think UFOs carry religious scrolls or some stupid shit. If anything you need medication. Heavy medication.

    Anyhow on to your drivel:

    My argument this entire time has been over your attempted correlation between burning a Koran or some meandering anecdote about the Islamic cartoons and an ammendment that effects just the US and deals with a US symbol only. It has no bearing on anything outside the US. If someone in Tikrit torches an American flag we cannot arrest him/her because of the action (if this ammendment had gone through and all). However if someone from our government torched a Koran it looks incredibly bad for our foreign PR but it's also seen as a direct conflict with our very own Muslim citizens.

    Now what is your argument against flag burning. Just flag burning. No UFOs, no Korans, no woe-is-Denmark. Just flag-burning.

    Quote from Fletch

    The flag is a symbol for our freedom to speak and act freely, even if it might offend somebody else. Thus it is a symbol whose strength is that allows itself to be destroyed. It's called a paradox. Some people are simple minded and don't understand that it's a paradox. This scares them, so they write flag burning amendments to prevent themselves from having to think.

    Exactly. My point on allowing flag burning. It was just political cock-waving at this stage.

    Quote from The Postman

    Now what is your argument against flag burning. Just flag burning. No UFOs, no Korans, no woe-is-Denmark. Just flag-burning.

    I am in favor of the freedom to burn all symbols, including your flag. But it is discriminative to yourself and all americans to only allow the burning of your own symbol. It is, in plain simpleness, a sign that your values are inferior to values that support violence to get respect. In even simpler terms: you admit that the freedom of speech is a logical fallacy. So you either ban it, because equal is still better than inferior, or you respect freedom.

    Btw your ad hominems are useless. Youre not arguing with me, your arguing with the freedom of speech

    Quote from RD

    I am in favor of the freedom to burn all symbols, including your flag. But it is discriminative to yourself and all americans to only allow the burning of your own symbol. It is, in plain simpleness, a sign that your values are inferior to values that support violence to get respect. In even simpler terms: you admit that the freedom of speech is a logical fallacy. So you either ban it, because equal is still better than inferior, or you respect freedom.

    Btw your ad hominems are useless. Youre not arguing with me, your arguing with the freedom of speech

    My ad homs have weight because you are a moron, RD. Through and through. This isn't an argument of world-wide freedom of speech. This is an argument of free-speech in the US. Nothing more. Strictly within that ballpark and you're injecting your usual omg-muslims crap into the conversation for no reason with no bearing. There is no logical fallacy here. There is only you trying to inject something into a conversation where it has no place.

    Quote from The Postman

    My ad homs have weight because you are a moron, RD. Through and through. This isn't an argument of world-wide freedom of speech. This is an argument of free-speech in the US. Nothing more. Strictly within that ballpark and you're injecting your usual omg-muslims crap into the conversation for no reason with no bearing. There is no logical fallacy here. There is only you trying to inject something into a conversation where it has no place.

    In the last 3 pages i have only been talking about strictly the US. Not the middle east or the rest of the world.

    Youre not free to burn symbols in your own country, you are not in favor of it unless its your own flag. You allow it because you simply dont care. Not only does that defeat the purpose of burning it, but it is plain racist.

    Racism is a complex word Postman, there are many kinds of it. You have to be very careful not to discriminate your own race out of fear for a population that wants to defeat your values.

    It is racist to treat any culture differently than your own laws subscribe. You must also demand all citizens IN YOUR OWN COUNRY to follow your laws, and not just your own race/religion/culture, because again, it would be plain racist not to.

    Quote from RD

    In the last 3 pages i have only been talking about strictly the US. Not the middle east or the rest of the world.

    Yes. Because this was an American ammendment dealing with the American flag.

    Quote from RD

    Youre not free to burn symbols in your own country, you are not in favor of it unless its your own flag.

    We ARE allowed to burn symbols on our country. However the government should not do it.

    Quote from RD

    You allow it because you simply dont care. Not only does that defeat the purpose of burning it, but it is plain racist.

    What the fuck are you on about?

    Quote from RD

    Racism is a complex word Postman, there are many kinds of it. You have to be very careful not to discriminate your own race out of fear for a population that wants to defeat your values.

    This would matter or make sense if American was a race or if I was trying to ban Islam because of brown-skinned folks. But American isn't a race and I'm not talking about Islam, you are, incessantly. For no reason.

    Quote from RD

    It is racist to treat any culture differently than your own laws subscribe. You must also demand all citizens IN YOUR OWN COUNRY to follow your laws, and not just your own race/religion/culture, because again, it would be plain racist not to.

    Again, what the fuck are you on about? So far you've dragged out how your country fucked up with cartoons and how you really don't like Muslim folks but you haven't given one good reason why the United States should ban flag burning. And now...racism? What the hell? Religion is not race and flags are not race. Furthermore and most importantly this has nothing to do with Denmark, cartoons, Islam or anything you're babbling about. At all.

    This is my thread Postman, and i decided what it was about, not you :roll: You have missed the point of its creation. This isnt about the cloth being burned. Its about the principles behind it :roll: :roll:

    Quote from The Postman

    how your country fucked up with cartoons

    This shows you are against the freedom of speech. You are only in favor of it when your own culture is criticized. But as soon as there is criticism of another culture, its "fucked up".

    It is plain discriminative, no matter how hard you try to flee away, moaning that it has no bearing.

    Try to explain it Postman :roll:

    I dare you.

    Quote from RD

    This is my thread Postman, and i decided what it was about, not you :roll: You have missed the point of its creation. This isnt about the cloth being burned. Its about the principles behind it :roll: :roll:

    "Wah, and if you don't like it I'll take my ball and go home!" Great tactic.

    Quote from RD

    This shows you are against the freedom of speech.

    What. :roll:

    Quote from RD

    You are only in favor of it when your own culture is criticized.

    My concern in this argument is for the ammendment proposed in my country and my argument with you has been that you're injecting bullshit into an argument where it has no place.

    Quote from RD

    But as soon as there is criticism of another culture, its "fucked up". It is plain discriminative, no matter how hard you try to flee away, moaning that it has no bearing.

    This is after you say "My thread, my rules!" after your first post has... oh hey, nothing to do with the Koran and only with the now-dead ammendment. You lose, RD.

    Quote from RD

    Try to explain it Postman :roll: I dare you.

    I have. Repeatedly. You just don't care to use logic in your posts.

    Quote from The Postman

    I have. Repeatedly. You just don't care to use logic in your posts.

    Well then explain it again. Why is it ok to burn western symbols and fucked up to burn others? In your own country.

    :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

    Quote from RD

    Well then explain it again. Why is it ok to burn western symbols and fucked up to burn others?

    :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

    Re-read your own thread. It's there, repeatedly in size 12 arial font type. Lay off the rolleyes guy, he's getting a headache from your abuses.

    Quote from The Postman

    Re-read your own thread. It's there, repeatedly in size 12 arial font type. Lay off the rolleyes guy, he's getting a headache from your abuses.

    You cant explain it can you :roll:

    Quote from The Postman

    I have, repeatedly. You lose, RD.

    You havent defeated me. You have defeated the freedom of speech in your own country. Congratulations :roll:

    Quote from RD

    You havent defeated me. You have defeated the freedom of speech in your own country. Congratulations :roll:

    I'm the one that didn't want the flag burning ammendment to pass and who thinks that burning the Koran is an abomination. You lose, RD.

    Quote from The Postman

    I'm the one that didn't want the flag burning ammendment to pass and who thinks that burning the Koran is an abomination. You lose, RD.

    Freedom isnt just allowing what you like and banning the rest :roll:

    Wait.... suddenly you are in favor of the freedom to burn religious symbols? Flipflop? :roll:

    While i welcome your embrace of freedom, its sad that you dont have it. Your government might be ok with it (but probably isnt), its not your government your criticising by burning religious symbols!

    The freedom of speech, is being able to say whatever, without fearing for your life. You cant do it.

    Apparently all this time you havent understood the government wont kill you, but the ppl you are criticizing will.

    And you had the courage to call ppl that criticize this violence, cowards. This is a giant flipflop :roll:

    Quote from The Postman

    how your country fucked up with cartoons

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    you tools fucked up with that cartoon and its reprinting

    Quote from RD

    Wait.... suddenly you are in favor of the freedom to burn religious symbols? Flipflop? :roll:

    Yay! It's hand puppets time again. You've never understood where I've come from with that, I think.

    Government shouldn't do certain things because it effects the entire nation unjustly.

    If a governmental body burns another country's flag that's a show of official aggression. It's not illegal, but that country shouldn't be surprised if the nation in question reacts harshly.

    If the citizens of that same country burn that flag it's a bunch of hot-heads spouting off.

    If citizens burn the flag of their own nation, likewise it's just a bunch of hot-heads spouting off.

    If the government burns its own flag it's just being odd and should be inspected for the UFOs that you talk about all the time.

    If a governmental body burns any religious object as a show of aggression that's just asking for trouble within and without. It's not illegal, but it does invite a whole host of shit down on the country in question, its stations overseas, and its citizens abroad. Such actions should not be taken lightly since they effect the lives of so many.

    If the citizens of the same country burn a religious object it's a bunch of hot-heads spouting off and probably doesn't amount to a hill of beans unless the country they're in condones it or doesn't actively see that such actions don't avalanche into rioting.

    If citizens of that religion burn their own objects they're just weird.

    Quote from Pericolos0

    the country and cartoonists should not be held accountable for their actions, the people striiring up the violence for soemthing so trivial should. Its that simple, i dont know why you are even debating this

    Yeah, if I wear a "FUCK read the rulesS" shirt in Harlem it's not my fault for choosing to wear the shirt, it's those unruly hoodlums' fault for beating the living shit out of me. Great logic. Avoiding responsibility for one's own actions is a great way to go about things.

    Why, I shouldn't be beheld to any laws because it's not my fault I did anything, it's simply the State's fault for getting upset that I did! They need to get over it.

    That being said, this is an argument for a different (and undoubtedly very dumb) thread.

    Quote from Pericolos0

    its definiately the hoodlums fault for beating you up. Why wouldnt it be? I do not get you logic... If i wear a tshirt with fuck postmen on it, and you beat me up... are you going to claim innocence because i insulted you? Great way to avoid responsibility postman, thats a great way to go about things.

    Oh I get it, you switched my name in there! Haha! Haha! No, it doesn't work like that. If you wear something with the explicit intention of pissing someone off you can't be surprised if it pisses someone off, and while they aren't fully justified in the ass-beating you'll receive, it's something that will more than likely happen. Does it make it right? No. Does it still happen? Yes. Does that mean that one should accept responsibility for one's own actions in the face of such recourse? Yes.

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    Also you are a great debater for already calling the arguments of the other side dumb before the debate

    Any time I show one of my friends from SA's D&D this forums and your guys' posts they cringe and shudder and ask me how I can manage to stay sane. Yeah, it's been debated here before and it was retarded.

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    how does this even compare? This isnt about laws, there is no law that says i cant idraw muslim cartoons if i want. Should there be? And if there is, am i wrong for being upset that i do not have freedom of speech?

    You missed the point. Re-read the post.

    Quote from The Postman

    Oh I get it, you switched my name in there! Haha! Haha! No, it doesn't work like that. If you wear something with the explicit intention of pissing someone off you can't be surprised if it pisses someone off, and while they aren't fully justified in the ass-beating you'll receive, it's something that will more than likely happen. Does it make it right? No. Does it still happen? Yes. Does that mean that one should accept responsibility for one's own actions in the face of such recourse? Yes.

    Thats exactly why Harlem has been such a shitty hood for decades. You support the murder of anybody that wants to change it and confront the violence with words. You do this because you believe anybody that criticizes black ppl is a racist. Likewise you believe the same of anybody that criticizes religion. Dont you understand that the mere fact that its dangerous to protest against certain cultures, proves that it needs to be confronted with the year 2006?

    It is actually the contempt for your own race that blinds you from the truth [Blocked Image: https://migrationtest.mapcore.org/public/style_emoticons/default/mapcore_smilies/emot_shakehead.gif] In your eyes there is no such thing as valid criticism of other religions, cultures or races, but only your own right?

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    Any time I show one of my friends from SA's D&D this forums and your guys' posts they cringe and shudder and ask me how I can manage to stay sane. Yeah, it's been debated here before and it was retarded.

    What does Dungeons & Dragons have to do with this?

    You know in Europe we had an open debate about this with over half a billion ppl. They all agreed that the freedom of speech should not be oppressed to satisfy a violent culture. It is retarded :roll:

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    Government shouldn't do certain things because it effects the entire nation unjustly.

    Who said anything about the government doing it? Trying to change the subject?

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