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    Highschool and all the problems of being a teenager are about as temporary as you can get. Four years unless you get held back, but then that's your own damned fault, just like dressing in black, wearing corpse makeup and then wondering why people treat you like an outcast.

    In the grand scheme of being a teenager, it's an entirety, not a temporal state of being.

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    Please go talk to a grieving mother ten years after losing her child, or heck at any time during her life. She might have come to terms with it, but the pain and sadness still linger under those scars. It is in no way as temporary a problem as not being popular in high school.

    Hmmmm.... so you are saying that a temporary event can leave permanent marks in your life? But not for teenagers?

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    Life is your entire life, so in the grand scheme of your own life it's an entirety, not a temporal state of being.

    Life is made up of moments

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    Oh cut the esoteric bullshit, RD. You state obvious natures while skipping completely over the fact that in this case this dumbass's actions hurt all those around her for a purely selfish solution to very temporary problems. I have empathy for her problems, not her actions. I have empathy for her parents and friends. You make sweeping assumptions while trying to play up this moral pedestal but honestly your reading comprehension sucks.

    She killed herself because ppl didnt like her black dress. Now thats a sweeping assumption :roll:

    The truth is you know nothing about this girl, and you project your negativity onto her, while she could be an angel with real problems.

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    In the grand scheme of being a teenager, it's an entirety, not a temporal state of being.

    No, that doesn't work. Sorry.

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    Hmmmm.... so you are saying that a temporary event can leave permanent marks in your life? But not for teenagers?

    I'm saying there are gradations and that the problems of youth are infinitely smaller and more petty than problems of adulthood and death.

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    Life is made up of moments

    And a book is chapters, but still a book in its entirety.

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    She killed herself because ppl didnt like her black dress. Now thats a sweeping assumption :roll:

    Know many goths at all? I'm going to guess no.

    I get what you are saying, The Postman, and I agree with you to some degree, but you are generalizing alot.

    I'm in no way justifiying killing yourself here, but some kids do have abusive parents, and just good old regular shitty living conditions. And while beeing raped several times over the course of 10 years might not have the biggest impact on you socially, it might have on others. (Just putting it on the edge here, dont worry, I'm not sympathizing with suiciders)

    I once stumbled upon this norwegian site written by a 16 year old girl, and she had written her entire life story and goodbye note on that site right before she off'd herself. One thing that I remembered was a story about when she was in class once, they had a discussion about what the worst thing that could happen to you were and the teacher said it was death! She herself, having been molested by her dad over a couple of years didnt agree, because she'd rather be dead than be feeling what she was feeling. The shame, the shyness, the never wanting a boy to touch her, having commitment problems etc etc.

    ofcourse I agreed with the teacher here, because I believe that you eventually can overcome such problems and live a happy life in, say, 10 years. But I can also see that during those 10 years, it's probably hell and 10 years of torture for that kid. And when you are tortured, and you never know when it'll stop, many people want to off themselves.

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    I get what you are saying, The Postman, and I agree with you to some degree, but you are generalizing alot.I'm in no way justifiying killing yourself here, but some kids do have abusive parents, and just good old regular shitty living conditions. And while beeing raped several times over the course of 10 years might not have the biggest impact on you socially, it might have on others. (Just putting it on the edge here, dont worry, I'm not sympathizing with suiciders)

    I once stumbled upon this norwegian site written by a 16 year old girl, and she had written her entire life story and goodbye note on that site right before she off'd herself. One thing that I remembered was a story about when she was in class once, they had a discussion about what the worst thing that could happen to you were and the teacher said it was death! She herself, having been molested by her dad over a couple of years didnt agree, because she'd rather be dead than be feeling what she was feeling. The shame, the shyness, the never wanting a boy to touch her, having commitment problems etc etc.

    ofcourse I agreed with the teacher here, because I believe that you eventually can overcome such problems and live a happy life in, say, 10 years. But I can also see that during those 10 years, it's probably hell and 10 years of torture for that kid. And when you are tortured, and you never know when it'll stop, many people want to off themselves.

    True true, I can agree with that, skjalg. That's a special kind of daily torture for 10 years of mental anguish. Anyone have any concrete specifics on this girl's cause of death? I mean, I think at this point we're all generalizing or guessing from anecdotal evidence. I've known lots of gothic kids in my time so that's what I'm pulling from and the story that Skjalg just related here is another very valid angle. So what's the particulars of this case?

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    True true, I can agree with that, skjalg. That's a special kind of daily torture for 10 years of mental anguish. Anyone have any concrete specifics on this girl's cause of death? I mean, I think at this point we're all generalizing or guessing from anecdotal evidence. I've known lots of gothic kids in my time so that's what I'm pulling from and the story that Skjalg just related here is another very valid angle. So what's the particulars of this case?

    The girl Skjalg is talking about told nobody of her problems, so you wouldnt know shit about them and probably call her a weak loser in her face. And when shes dead, you would do it again.

    Its not like ppl go around telling their life stories to evrybody. Especially not to negative ppl :roll:

    Didnt really understand what happened, but it sure looks fun (since i havent played wow more than 2hours, so i dont understand anything about it )

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    The girl Skjalg is talking about told nobody of her problems, so you wouldnt know shit about them and probably call her a weak loser in her face. And when shes dead, you would do it again.

    Its not like ppl go around telling their life stories to evrybody. Especially not to negative ppl :roll:

    Oh shut the fuck up RD. Christ. Now you're just being contrary to be contrary.

    He does have a point though. You said yourself that you knew alot of goth kids, and because of that you generalize. But did you really know them? Its quite clear that you have a very negative attitude against goths (understandably, since I do to), and if I were a goth I sure as hell wouldnt spew out my problems to the people that dont like me that much..

    Goths are confusing creatures, for they are contradictory,

    the way the majorty is conforming to non conformism is one act that makes me confused.

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    He does have a point though. You said yourself that you knew alot of goth kids, and because of that you generalize. But did you really know them? Its quite clear that you have a very negative attitude against goths (understandably, since I do to), and if I were a goth I sure as hell wouldnt spew out my problems to the people that dont like me that much..

    He's strictly being contrary for the sake of being contrary though skjalg. There's no way any of us could know what that girl was on about and his generalization is just as much a generalization as mine. However mine is at the very least backed up by some anecdotal knowledge. Trust me (and ask Mikey about my mohawk) I know punks/goths/whatever. Goths are the dramawhores of the "scene." They live on being ever ensconced in a mood of depression and infighting. They're petty and vain and self destructive.

    yep, I know, but theres usually a reason to it. (bad childhood etc) Which is what RD was talking about...

    And yes, RD is always the one pointing out flaws in other peoples' arguments just for the sake of pouring gazoline on the flame of discussion

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    He's strictly being contrary for the sake of being contrary though skjalg. There's no way any of us could know what that girl was on about and his generalization is just as much a generalization as mine. However mine is at the very least backed up by some anecdotal knowledge. Trust me (and ask Mikey about my mohawk) I know punks/goths/whatever. Goths are the dramawhores of the "scene." They live on being ever ensconced in a mood of depression and infighting. They're petty and vain and self destructive.

    The difference is the generalization you made was negative and mine was positive. Its because im a positive person

    You should always give ppl the benefit of the doubt when you have no idea about them.

    Besides that, the goths you know are alive. Its not logical to assume they would kill themselves because they are dramawhores. Obviously the vast armies of goths you know are dramawhores AND alive. Apart from that you have again no clue why they are dramawhores or self destructive, and again make a negative generalization to make yourself feel superior.

    This is just you pretending that another persons problems are little, while the truth is there is a corpse that proofs otherwise. While you may not think her problems were serious enough to commit suicide if you knew about them, they were serious enough for her.

    Its also a sign of respect not to ridicule the dead, and im sure the relatives which you pretend to be so worried about, appreciate that.

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    The difference is the generalization you made was negative and mine was positive. Its because im a positive person

    So that makes you right? :roll:

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    You should always give ppl the benefit of the doubt when you have no idea about them.

    Yes, forget past experiences as indicators of present action, that never helped anyone!

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    Besides that, the goths you know are alive. Its not logical to assume they would kill themselves because they are dramawhores. Obviously the vast armies of goths you know are dramawhores AND alive.

    Actually, at least 3 are dead and every last one a suicide! Thanks for your generalization

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    Apart from that you have again no clue why they are dramawhores or self destructive, and again make a negative generalization to make yourself feel superior.

    Actually I do. They're vain, petty and self destructive because they crave attention at any cost. It's a case of "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!"

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    This is just you pretending that another persons problems are little, while the truth is there is a corpse that proofs otherwise. While you may not think her problems were serious enough to commit suicide if you knew about them, they were serious enough for her.

    A person's actions are never simply justifiable because they happened. By your logic we can justify genocide and '80s hair metal.

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    Its also a sign of respect not to ridicule the dead, and im sure the relatives which you pretend to be so worried about, appreciate that.

    I respect those who garner respect. Killing yourself for selfish reasons and leaving a wave of sorrow in your wake is not respectable.

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    So that makes you right? :roll:

    I just explained it to you >

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    You should always give ppl the benefit of the doubt when you have no idea about them.

    Kinda like innocent untill proven guilty? Get it?

    And about your past experiences, we all have past experiences with the human race and folks that òffed emselves. But all humanoids are different and unique, even goths that wear the same cloths.

    This little angel has gone thru the worst hell you can imagine, losing the will to live. The reason behind it doesnt really matter, you shouldnt trample on her.

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