Diablo 3

I actually find it worrying you can't acknowledge there were problems with the game and we're all haters for thinking otherwise. But we could turn this into a good-feels echochamber and I think I'd prefer that. Hey, I worked on Bloodforge. Try to name 5 good things about it.

OK, let's just stop this before it starts getting out of hand and remember two of MapCore's few guidelines:

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1. Discuss games respectfully, chances are a MapCore member helped create them

2. Be constructive when criticising other members' work

Unless I'm missing something, Minos politely asked that Dux tone down the way he presents his criticism a bit, and Dux acknowledged the request while making it clear that he's just a genuine fan with genuine criticisms (which is fine). Nobody took things too personally and the problem was resolved. It should have ended there really rather than starting to venture into character assassination and slating other games and shit.

So how about that Diablo 3 guys???

Take a look at this: http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree

But I don't play that game because what they did to their server-client architecture makes the game feels out of sync, because it really is out of sync in every second of play. The other reason is that even though the skill tree has freedom of choices, they made every magical property and drops randomized in a way that it's a game of luck, a lottery that forces the player to play for as many hours as he can to achive something good, or gamble endlessly to increase the chances of achiving something that you want.

The root of all evil in D3 direction seems to be the target audience. They changed everything, from art style to background story.

I didn't play D3 so I can only talk about D2 and PoE. D2 is hardcore by nature, with a layer of strategy given by sockets, charms, skilltree with synergies. Plus, broken items and skills. I'm not keen about playing so much and investing so much time building a char, one more reason for me to left PoE. One of the reasons D3 changed everything, 10 years later, what happened to the audience that played D2 10 years ago?

Casual vs hardcore. Complexity vs simplification. Straight foward action vs tactical advantages combat. PoE matches complexity and hardcore. D3 seems to have matched casual and simplification, but not entirely because there is still hardcore farming and randomization. Combat in D2 was more tactical, with monsters spawning with resistances / immunities and curses / auras. PoE is more close to D2 in respect to combat.

Incredible though, that dilema resembles trading card games. The skill tree, spells and uniques in PoE must be hard to balance, much like balancing thousands of cards in a competitive trading card game. Remidns me of what happened to MTG, which have seen a growing popularity in casual formats.

I love Diablo 3 today, sure, it´s missing alot of stuff since you basicly grind act 1 over and over (Festering Woods, Leorics if you got less than 5 nephalem valor stacks in Festering Woods, Fields of Misery and then Cemetary of the Forsaken).

I think that the new update and expansion will blow our minds! I mean, Loot 2.0! Paragon 2.0! Crusader! Act V! Sure, bitch about that they should have made some of theese things from the start but that won´t change shit. Better late than never, i think Blizzard is going in the right direction and as HP stated, listens to the fans.

I´m at paragon 87 with my barbarian and around paragon 20 with all the other classes and what amazes me is that all classes are really fun to play, except for Demon Hunter. Hatred be hated. Anyways, now is a really good time to get as many paragon levels on your characters before the release of paragon 2.0! Stop the bitching and get in on the hype.

Ps. I wan´t the Necromancer back. Ds.

PoE tree always amuses me because I imagine some of its players are PC Master Race types who hate consoles and JRPG's, and yet here they are unknowingly on the FFX Sphere Grid. I also notice PoE gets a free-pass for always online but it's apparently one of Diablo 3's biggest failures?

While I'm still cool with Diablo 3's skill system and not allocating attributes I don't see anything released so far that addresses skill build and item build being completely divorced and this is one of the larger differences between it and D2. Currently you always want the same stats (which are all infinitely scaling) regardless of what you're going to be mashing. I would rather they killed the end-game bandaid Paragon System completely and possibly raised the level cap instead. It's only there because Inferno was badly balanced and required you to grind out lottery-chance drops (read: play the RMAH).

I tried PoE but the constant lag was horrible. Still the game had an awesome atmosphere and really creepy interiors.

PoE is on steam tomorrow (23rd, wednesday) and it is fucking awesome. It's everything I wanted Diablo 3 to be gameplay wise. The art style isn't as polished but I much prefer the darker tone it uses.

I am very much looking forward to the diablo 3 expansion, whenever that comes. Has a release date been set? or even been announced?

I had a great weekend playing diablo 3 when it first came out, barring the log in issues I faced from time to time, but those 3 days sitting on a lan with my friends and playing d3 coop will always stand out as a very positive memory. It doesn't really matter to me that it was basically unplayable the next 2-3 weeks because the game was too difficult and I refused to use the AH, because I'd already got my moneys worth.

I hope we get alot of more information at Blizzcon! I´m like a child waiting for christmas and the funny thing is, i hated Diablo 2. I really refused to buy Diablo 3 until my brother actually bought it for me, promising me that i would love it. Now he have not been playing it for almost a year.

Also, i will have a hard time deciding how to spend the paragon points:

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More details about the Mystic, which will let you reroll stats on items: https://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/11337855

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lol

I'm not playing diablo3 but i'm definitely in love with this character design

Finally an ugly chick in Diablo 3

I really like the upcoming changes to the expansion. Every new paragon level gives you the oppertunity to boost certain stats(much more satisfying than just a few +3 stats).
Enchanting also boosts the equipment without having to rely heavily on that one loot drop that works better for your build.
Transmogrification is also something that i am really looking forward to. I hate the fact I cant change the look or color of the legendary equipment

Bring it on Death.

However disappointed I was with this game, I gotta give them credit for trying. Because let's be honest, we bought a product and not a service. They could have just cashed in and moved on like most companies do. Especially in light of the huge amount of criticism they received (a lot of companies would have given up for far less). I'm still not convinced that the game is salvageable but dropping the auction house and adding Adventure mode a long with Loot 2.0 could be a real game changer. Even the choice to be an online only game doesn't bother me that much anymore seeing how the online experience on the consoles got totally ruined by duped items. I might not be happy with it but the console release is certainly strong evidence that it was the right decision.

So in short, respect:

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To be honest base Diablo 2 wasn't very good either, and I remember I was hugely disappointed when I came from Diablo 1. However as soon as Lord of Destruction was released it became fantastic. With Jay "fuck that loser" Wilson out and the other changes they made, it can probably become good.

I think there's been too much damage done to save it, and what with Path of Exile being out (and free!) I don't really see a reason to pick up anything Diablo III related. I think Rob Pardo's response to Jay Wilsons departure is strange - it pins him as the man behind the product, but at the same time the designs and implementations in the game were not his. Moreover, his statement that he wants to continue to improve D3 to become the best game in the genre... Seeing as it is already outperformed by several other games, and its core design systems are faulty - I just don't get how they will even compete? I guess the fan(atic)s will buy and or play it regardless of what it is, if only because it is Blizzard.

Rob Pardo's response: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/to…4?page=106#2104

Oh yeah and this quote from the forums is perhaps the only thing that would save Diablo III (or Diablo IV)

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Re-hiring the Blizzard North team would the best decision you can or will ever make.