School shooting, now hitting europe (and games are involved)

[st0lve]

it was an .22 pistol, which often are used for ranges and such, and they are easy to get.

[Ginger Lord]

Warning flags should have gone up when people found out he named his gun.

[dux]

What was its name?

[Ginger Lord]

I forget it now, he had it plastered over his youtube page. A girls name beginning with C iirc. Catherine or something.

[dissonance]

I read his manifesto and had the same reaction I did to Mein Kampf: he started out with a few things I agreed with, things that made sense, then fucked all of it up by making completely illogical conclusions. Like KT said, this guy was completely blinded by his hate.

Pitty.

[Sentura]

as much as everyone likes to blame everyone else, my personal opinion is that the world today is a very hateful place, what with the different governments acting hostile towards people and are for the creation of wars (see: right wing parties). without going too much into politics ill suffice to say that reign of these things (whom nobody suspects) pushes people to the edge even more. seeing that there's nothing to live for only presses on urges to die.

i dont know how it is in finland, but i know denmark has an extreme right wing party in charge, and although the riches, taxes and everything are fine and dandy, almost no one from the outside is let in. it's a case of pure antisemitism.

having said that, i of course do not believe this is the main issue, but i would still say it ranks up there along with victimization, bullying and society. i agree it's a sad thing; but i was expecting we'd see more of these things, as morbid as that may sound.

[Quakis]

as much as everyone likes to blame everyone else, my personal opinion is that the world today is a very hateful place, what with the different governments acting hostile towards people and are for the creation of wars (see: right wing parties). without going too much into politics ill suffice to say that reign of these things (whom nobody suspects) pushes people to the edge even more. seeing that there's nothing to live for only presses on urges to die.

Your personal opinion is also rather very much like my own personal opinion, as I see it. But I won't go into that. As for the school shooting, I don't really much of an opinion on it, since there's just been too many these days. To be fairly honest, I'd gladly take a bullet if I can take them down with me in the process if it ever happened around here.

[dissonance]

To be fairly honest, I'd gladly take a bullet if I can take them down with me in the process if it ever happened around here.

You and me both. Valhalla, here I come.

[Sentura]

since when were you a viking?

[TomWithTheWeather]

I think maybe the world today is a much more civil place now than ever before in history. The difference is that our communication and media technology have increased in an exponential way so that it is much easier and faster to get news and information of the bad things that do happen around the world. As a result it only *seems* as though the world is a much more hostile place now than in the past.

Don't get me wrong though, bad things still do happen obviously, and we still have a long ways to go.

[Thrik]

I like the notion that "every age believes their youths are the worst there've ever been". I guess that kind of applies to the world as a whole because there's no way our current world is as bad as it's been in the past, yet it's quite easy to look at it and think "How could it be worse than this?".

Of course, some brief history lessons teach you otherwise. This sure beats the days where you'd never know if your village might be sieged one night, with rapes and murders for all.

I'd almost be inclined to say the world is more civil and less hateful than ever. We've done nothing but progress from stuff like revolutions, genocides, nuclear attacks, and cold wars.

[dissonance]

since when were you a viking?

Half Swedish, and half Scottish that turned out to be a bunch of lost Norwegians.

Does that count?

Going with what Thrik was saying, yes, we've made progress, but when bad things happen, they're worse than before. Everything is changing, including what we compare current events to, and hindsight is always 20/20.

[Defrag]

The media needs to sort itself out, too. When anybody can have their posthumous 15 minutes of fame -- simply record your deranged 'manifesto' and pose with some guns, then make it accessible after your death -- it's sending out the wrong message to these people. It seems every killer who leaves a cache of videos & (I use the term loosely) writings gets them aired on every single network going. It would be enough to state that the person involved left rambling notes / videos and then pass them on to the police / court enquiry to be used in evidence. Shining a spotlight on someone who doesn't deserve any kind of platform for their views is just an all round bad idea. I'm not saying that removing the platform will eradicate or even significantly reduce the killings, but it's surely the decent thing to do. Do we really need a video of someone aiming a gun at the camera and spreading their message of hate to millions of people? If a handful of viewers harbour fantasies of doing the same thing, it may just give them the impetus and belief to go through with it.

[Sentura]

I'd almost be inclined to say the world is more civil and less hateful than ever. We've done nothing but progress from stuff like revolutions, genocides, nuclear attacks, and cold wars.

of course we have! i dont think you can picture amount of wanton destruction world wide we would have if a nuclear war escalated. some political overlords, it seems, haven't seen the big picture though (see: iran, pakistan, n. korea etc.), and do not understand that throwing one bomb would ultimately lead to a rocket exchange that would ruin not alone the planet, but also extinguish life as we know it.

the fact that we merely distance ourselves from things does not prevent them from happening; and while you think that the world was bad some 1000 years ago, remember that there were no global wars 1000 years ago, no drugs, and so forth. society has changed us from being busy 100% of the time to a time with too much time on our hands and too much luxury and i honestly think it has gotten out of hand. the way people behave, the bizarre things people do in their spare time... i guess you can imagine what i mean without me having to name some examples here.

the world is a hateful place today, there are so many new inventive ways of being malevolent and only so much fewer to being benevolent. the way the world has been going for the past 2000 years does not give me good incentive to think that anything will change for the better; but then again what could i have expected? we're only humans and humans make mistakes; though it's about time we start to tread lightly if we don't want to make our next mistake a final.

[Chunks]

I think the media(news) is just as much to blame as TV, movies, videogames, etc.

If you look at the school shooting history in the US it usually comes in waves, the late nineties being the worst, seems like there was one every other month. And it all came down to the media dwelling on it constantly 24/7.

I'm not saying they shouldn't report it, but when they release all the footage of the columbine shooters, or the manifesto of the guy from virginia tech it does 100x more harm than good.

This guy used youtube beforehand so there was nothing that could be done, but I hope that no media organisation ends up airing that trash.

In the end, though there is never one thing that motivated a person like this to do what they did but rather a multitude of things and it's ignorant to try to single out one thing.