FrieChamp Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 newsflash: There are gamers/consumers out there who do not use Steam. Quote
BaRRaKID Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 newsflash: There are gamers/consumers out there who do not use Steam. Yeah, the ones who don't have a PC... come on, almost every gamer has played HL2, CS, DOD or TF and as such has steam installed. If Crytek was smarter they could have used Steam statistics to get a better target group. I'm kind of disappointed with this specs, although it seems that i can run the game without any trouble, but it won't be any fun if there isn't anyone to play with. Quote
Sentura Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 newsflash: There are gamers/consumers out there who do not use Steam. i agree. just because one company sets one standard doesnt mean the whole industry should follow. besides, if you're an avid gamer, you'd best upgrade your machine either how as i really cant see how requirements are going to get lower. source is an exception but it's also a three year old engine, and a low requirement one at that. Quote
FrieChamp Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 newsflash: There are gamers/consumers out there who do not use Steam. Yeah, the ones who don't have a PC... come on, almost every gamer has played HL2, CS, DOD or TF and as such has steam installed. If Crytek was smarter they could have used Steam statistics to get a better target group. I'm kind of disappointed with this specs, although it seems that i can run the game without any trouble, but it won't be any fun if there isn't anyone to play with. You seriously think Crytek has never looked at the Steam stats? Think again. But this is not the philosophy of Crytek. It's not about looking at the clientbase of the competition and build a game optimized for their PCs, this is about setting a new benchmark in FPS gaming (and a new franchise), in the footsteps of FarCry (which was quite hardware demanding back in the days as well). You create a great game and people will buy the equipment to run it, or enjoy it on a smaller scale or a few months later. And it's not like you're going to buy the rig for "just for Crysis", equally demanding games will follow its release sooner or later, but somebody has to give it a head start otherwise everybody is just treading on the same spot! Quote
Izuno Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I've got 256 MB but it is the minimum - sick if you ask me. That's one of the points I love Steam for: http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html This Data is collected by every Steam-User (volutneer) and is the data valve develops at. Not Intel or NVidia who cry out "Let's get more highend sellings". Crysis Minimum: Percentage of Steam Users who are just Minimum or even lower Processor - 2.8 GHz or faster (XP) :Around 70% of Steam Users can not play Crysis because of theyr CPUs on a higher setting than Low or not at all. Memory - 1.0 GB RAM (XP) : ~70% of Steam Users can not play Crysis because of too less Ram on a higher setting than Low or not at all. Video Card -256 MB** : ~30 % have less than 256 MB Vram, ~40% have at least 256 MB Vram (that allows them - I say it again: Minimum Specs) Hard Drive - 12GB : Around 80% of the Users have at least 10 or more Gigabyte free. - OK So Crytek basically shuts the door for around 70% of the gamers? Assuming that of those left 30% 75% are FPS Gamers who are potential Crysis buyers you have 22,5% of Gamers left as a Targetgroup. I don't know - Izuno may know better - but I assume that of a potential Targetgroup around 10% will buy a game if it sells good. That is 2,25% who would buy this game (but I assume this is still much too high) newsflash: There are gamers/consumers out there who do not use Steam. Yep, there are gamers/consumers worldwide who do not use Steam. Vavle's survey sample size is 1,092,762. 9 million WoW players worldwide suggest that there are more than ~ 1million PC gamers. So what % of the total pc gamer market does the Valve # represent? 10%? 50% 90%? Whatever it is....would you expect the average gamer on Steam to have higher general system specs than non-Steam gamers? Lower? About the same? This is what you really need to know quantitatively. Qualitatively, is Crysis going to entice people to upgrade their systems? Does that even need to happen for Crysis to hit their sales goals? And what are their sales goals? Any truly insightful discussion on this topic would require more of that information. Quote
BaRRaKID Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 You create a great game and people will buy the equipment to run it, or enjoy it on a smaller scale or a few months later. The problem here is that most players can't even "enjoy it on a smaller scale", and won't probably enjoy it in a "few months". Your aiming the game for a market that doesn't exist, and if you look at it the game will actually cost around 350€ for the average player, since you need to add the game price to the hardware upgrades you need to make. I'm not sure if that many people want to spend that much just to play one game. We will just have to wait and see, bot it seems that many people share this opinion. Yep, there are gamers/consumers worldwide who do not use Steam. Vavle's survey sample size is 1,092,762. 9 million WoW players worldwide suggest that there are more than ~ 1million PC gamers. So what % of the total pc gamer market does the Valve # represent? In my pov that only means that 1,092,762 actually accepted to participate in the survey, not how many use steam. To know that you would kneed to know how many people bought games from valve, which i think is much more than that (but obviously less then those who play wow ). Quote
e-freak Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 newsflash: There are gamers/consumers out there who do not use Steam. was that my point? no. It was just a more represantive stat than asking intel and nvidia "Wanna have a cup of tea and a cake and tell us everyone needs new graphic-cards?" Quote
Skjalg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 These past two three months, almost every one I know have upgraded their PC to high end shit. You guys complain that most people don't have pc for this kind of game, but then again, if it weren't for games like this we'd still be stuck with a 386 playing new iterations of doom. Why would people want to buy a direct x 10 PC if they were going to play direct x 9 games with it? c'mon people, think. Just the fact that Crysis will be able to run on a direct x 9 pc, except it wont have all the destructible stuff is just pure awesome. Just think of how many people that will purchase this game, notice how long it's been since they upgraded their pc and go out and do it. Just to play this game. Quote
Sindwiller Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Why would people want to buy a direct x 10 PC if they were going to play direct x 9 games with it? The world doesn't only consist of rich gaming enthusiasts and developers who are willing and able to spend money on high end hardware :roll: Quote
Corwin Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 But this is not the philosophy of Crytek. It's not about looking at the clientbase of the competition and build a game optimized for their PCs, this is about setting a new benchmark in FPS gaming (and a new franchise), in the footsteps of FarCry (which was quite hardware demanding back in the days as well). You create a great game and people will buy the equipment to run it, or enjoy it on a smaller scale or a few months later. And it's not like you're going to buy the rig for "just for Crysis", equally demanding games will follow its release sooner or later, but somebody has to give it a head start otherwise everybody is just treading on the same spot! I agree. Crysis is a pretty awaited/hyped game and even if not that much people actually improve their computer to be able to play it, it'll probably push the computer market one step forward in next-gen hardware features. When 14yrs old Jimmy goes to the supermarket with his father to buy a family computer for Christmas, he'll ask if it supports the latest next-gen games they are buying aswell. If not, he'll sure convince dad to put in 200€ more and have a computer that'll be on top *for years*! I think games such as and following Crysis will have a similar (even if lesser) effect that all the Vista-Ready stuff has had on the minimal hardware sold in your local store: a small sticker "Next-gen games ready" might not be out of the question, if it doesn't exist yet somewhere. That being said, I don't know much about hardware and my computer was cheap 3 years ago, so don't beat me too hard! Quote
Fletch Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 It seems as though Crytek is trying to get ahead of the market. Sure, these are insane specs now, but 3, 4, 5 years from now, the market will be at that level, and maybe/probably the console market as well. Then Crytek can say "Hey, we have this badass engine ready to go, and already fully featured." It might not make a lot in the short run selling to the hardcore bleeding edge market, but if it can wait it out for a few years, it can make a lot in the licensing market. Quote
Hourences Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 12 GB is nothing, really. Plenty of games are that size nowadays, and I have stuff on my HD thats twice to three times as big as that. In our current age of consoles, we need pc games that push the boundaries, and make people upgrade (and thus keep the whole push for better graphics going - no need for more power = no sales for nvidia and ati = the whole thing slows downs) Most games are just ported over from a xbox360 nowadays, they are limited by what the xbox360 can offer in power. We need games that arent influenced by that crap, and which truly deserve the title "pc game", but that does has a price... The same is true for UT3. Quote
Sudano Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 You guys are complaining about the 12 gigs it takes? That's nothing, you can buy storage for cheep now, I would figure you people would be more like me and be saying how we need a new video card and or processor! I will be able to play on low with decent settings until I get a better video card in the near future. I have an old Radeon x1800 256mb. Quote
Thrik Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Yeah, not surprising they're getting big. Although this doesn't apply to the 360, don't forget PS3 games come on fucking gigantic Blu-Ray discs, which is like 20-40GB; this means developers are going to start getting used to including superb quality assets, especially with the PC having the brute strength to show massive-resolution textures and such. They aren't going to expect PC gamers to have Blu-Ray players any time soon, but they're probably going to more often than not span their games over multiple DVDs and just have them installed onto your HD so they have as much room to play with as they would on the PS3. Only speculation of course, but I can't see this not happening. Although really, with current hardware I don't think they'll come close to actually needing a full Blu-Ray disc. Quote
jaboo224 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 almost all my hardcore gaming buddies online have 8800gtx's now. You would be suprise on how many are going to buy a new comp just for crysis. Quote
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