A very sick family slaying

[Thrik]

Seriously sick as fuck.

When you just read the titles/headlines/brief descriptions of these type of things it's not so bad, but it's the detailed testimony that makes this really chilling and uncomfortable to read (especially with my younger brother being almost eight so comparisons are unavoidably drawn).

:(

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... trial.html

Girl admits stabbing brother, insists she didn't kill her family

This story contains disturbing details

Last Updated: Tuesday, July 3, 2007 | 9:00 PM MT

CBC News

A 13-year-old Alberta girl accused of slaying her family admitted to stabbing her little brother once, but said her much older boyfriend was the one who slit the child's throat and killed her parents.

The Medicine Hat girl, who spoke in a whisper that could barely be heard in the packed courtroom, took the stand in her own defence Tuesday at her first-degree murder trial.

She cannot be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

She testified that the night in April 2006 when her family died, she had called her boyfriend Jeremy Steinke, then 23, and told him she wanted to kill her parents because they were mean to her.

She told the court in Medicine Hat that she had been only joking, but that night she woke up to the sound of Steinke breaking into her house. Her mother went downstairs and screamed, drawing her father and her eight-year-old brother out of their bedrooms, she said.

The girl said she could hear her father and Steinke fighting downstairs, where she later saw her mother lying in a pool of blood.

She said she raced back upstairs and grabbed a knife she had hidden in her closet in case she needed to protect herself. Steinke came up the stairs, staggering and covered in blood, and screamed at her to kill her brother, she said.

"He yells at me 'Stab him, just stab him! Slit his throat!'" she said. "I said, 'I can't, I can't,' and he said, 'You have to. I did this for you.'"

Weeping as she spoke, the accused said the little boy pleaded with her, saying: "I'm scared. I'm too young to die."

The girl testified she stabbed the boy once somewhere in his upper body, but couldn't do anything more. Steinke then grabbed the kitchen knife and slit her brother's throat.

She said she couldn't look, but heard the boy struggling to breathe.

"He was gurgling," she told defence lawyer Tim Foster.

During her testimony, the girl wore a blue blouse and black pants, and had her hair tightly pulled back behind her head. The conservative outfit is a stark contrast to the internet photos the girl posted online before the killings, which showed her dressed in tight black clothing, sucking on her finger suggestively.

The girl was 12 years old when the bodies of her parents and younger brother were found in their Medicine Hat home.

'Hypothetical' conversations about killing family

Earlier in her testimony, she said she and Steinke had "hypothetical" conversations about killing her parents.

She said they used to talk late at night about how much she hated her parents, who didn't approve of their relationship.

She said they discussed possible ways of killing them, including making it look like a murder-suicide or hitting them on the head while they slept and then burning their house down. She said the plans included killing her brother because he was too sensitive to be an orphan.

But the girl said she never took the conversations seriously and considered them no big deal because all of her friends talked like that. She called it "stupid talk."

"This wasn't unusual for my group of friends — talking about killing people."

The accused said that a week before the killings she snuck out of the house and went with Steinke back to his trailer where they had sex. She said they had sex again in a friend's apartment after the killings, only hours before her family's bodies were discovered by her brother's friend.

"I loved him so much. I thought it would bring us closer together," she said, when asked why she would have sex when she was just 12 years old.

The girl will be cross-examined by Crown attorney Stephanie Cleary on Wednesday.

Steinke also faces three charges of first-degree murder, but his trial date has not been set.

Edit: I meant slaying in the topic.

[Zyn]

I thought this only happened in movies...

[Mazy]

Damn thats messed up

[⌐■_■]

Okay, what do we have here?

Steinke:

- pedophilly

- murder of a kid

- murder of a mother

- murder of a father

- destroying the life of a 13 years old girl

Medicine Hat Girl:

- Being naive and foolish

I hope Steinke get the most severe punnishment available to him. I'm worried about the girl though..

[FrieChamp]

Yup, fucked up.

Anybody heard the story of the wrestler Chris Benoit last week or so? First choked his wife, then his son the next day and finally hung himself.

Fixed the the thread title for ya Thrik...I think I need a hug now

[Thrik]

That's pretty sick too Frie. Chokeholded his son to death? God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Beno ... er-suicide

There's something about family murders that gets to me, probably because you can relate to it so easily. Just thinking about one of my sisters or something being naive and bringing some psycho home as a boyfriend and him specifically doing everyone in while they sleep (a random burglar probably wouldn't bother)...

And let's face it, it was mostly the boyfriend. I'd imagine once he'd killed her parents she was so overcome with emotion, shock and sensory overload she barely realised what she was doing when she stabbed her brother.

If any kind of complication stops that guy being given a thousand death sentences then this world has failed. I feel bad for the lawyer who has to defend the fuck in court and try to stop him going down for his tri-murder including extinguishing the barely-begun life of an eight-year-old boy for no reason whatsoever.

[e-freak]

Sick f*ckin Story...

Allthough - thrik - I don't think you help the world by sentence him to death. Send him to prison and make him think about what he has done. Killing him just shows that this world fails over and over. Murder for Murder is not what will make a better place...

[⌐■_■]

That's one old discussion.

[Thrik]

To a certain extent I agree, living in a country where the death sentence isn't allowed. However, for certain extreme cases (taking a completely innocent 8-year-old boy into your hands and cutting open his throat with a blade), I believe no level of redemption is possible and to support his continued life in prison would fall onto the taxes we all pay as a nation. Of course, UK prisons are morbidly overcrowded as we don't kill anyone.

It's a very fine line, though. I was speaking more out of emotion than anything else; I wouldn't truly support a death penalty unless the guilt of the killer was in absolutely no doubt whatsoever, which only something like video footage or an abundance of forensic evidence could prove.

[⌐■_■]

1) Of course, UK prisons are morbidly overcrowded as we don't kill anyone.

2) I wouldn't truly support a death penalty unless the guilt of the killer was in absolutely no doubt whatsoever, which only something like video footage or an abundance of forensic evidence could prove.

1) Don't think that has a lot to do with the UK not supporting the death penalty?

2) That's also no guarantee that the suspected is guilty. Proves don't per se make a fact. Video's can be easily edited these days and there are always such things as corrupted people who work under the cover of the goverment. I feel alot of anger towards the boyfriend of the medicine hat girl, and in a real life confrontation I'd surely make him suffer, but when it comes to real objective justice.. who are we to decide someone should live or not? If someone can be quaranteed without the chance of escaping/harming other people, then I think it is our task to do so. After all, in respect to the society being responsible: isn't that guy also a product of our society?

[Thrik]

Of course it has something to do with it. It's certainly not the only factor nor is it likely to be a predominant factor, but it's nonetheless a factor. There's less fear of committing crimes, and no removal of those who commit the extreme ones.

And like I said, I'd only support it if completely undoubtable evidence was presented. I don't mean a dodgy video that could have been warped to paint a false picture of the scene. We can't even be sure this guy did exactly what the news article says (although it's very likely), so I'd never give a thumbs up or down without absolute evidence.

This isn't anything that could be policed effectively, and there'd inevitably be false convictions if the death penalty returned to being standard fare; therefore, I'd never support the death penalty as an actual policy or law. I simply think that in my personal opinion this fuck deserves to die if he did what's claimed.

[twiz]

If they give themselves the right to decide who lives or dies, they give us the right to decide whether they should live or die as well. Thats my opinion.

[FrieChamp]

You guys don't intend to turn this into one of those death penalty discussion we had in POLITICAL DISCUSSION do you???

*points to the grave yard*

"DUN DUN DUN"

[Thrik]

No, I was just speaking personally. I wasn't trying to make some point about whether or not it should be legalised on a mass scale; I just reckon he ought to be killed shitless.

Let us have some more "Oh my God that is sick as fuck" posts instead. I was thinking on the way home on the train today about just what could have possibly been going through their mind as they killed that young boy begging for his life, cutting through his throat like it were butter. I mean, :wtf::wtf::wtf:?????

[Rick_D]

personally, i blame manhunt2