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What's the big deal? The kids never buy the games anyway.

EDIT: the parents are the ones who actually pay for the shit. If they ant to restrict minors from being able to buy the M rated games - that's fine with me. America has enough demented youth as it is.

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What's the big deal? The kids never buy the games anyway.

EDIT: the parents are the ones who actually pay for the shit. If they ant to restrict minors from being able to buy the M rated games - that's fine with me. America has enough demented youth as it is.

This law is ridiculous. The age ratings should be no more than a guideline, not absolutes. I cannot comprehend that you have to serve a year of prison and pay a fine of 2000$ for selling GTA to a 17 year old

i do not know about you, but when i was 15-16-17, i didnt consider myself much a kid anymore and bought my own games.

Imagine being 16 years old and not allowed to buy fallout or duke nukem 3D like you are not allowed to buy porn. It makes no sense at all.

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I buy my own games as well - but the law is in place to more or less protect children. Here in the us if you are under 18 you are a child, a minor - no questions asked. Even if you consider yourself an adult - the government does not.

Most stores already don't sell M games to kids under 17 anyway - so they aren't seeing much change if you ask me. I really don't see the problem.

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I buy my own games as well - but the law is in place to more or less protect children. Here in the us if you are under 18 you are a child, a minor - no questions asked. Even if you consider yourself an adult - the government does not.

Most stores already don't sell M games to kids under 17 anyway - so they aren't seeing much change if you ask me. I really don't see the problem.

its a problem of principle. Family values politician are just using this for a scapegoat of the real problems. The ratings arent absolute numbers. Oblivion is rated mature now because ratings have become alot stricter than they used to be. Is there any reason a 16 year old shouldnt be playing oblivion? A 16 year old playing oblivion is ILLEGAL now, i think this is a big issue. Land of the free...

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I buy my own games as well - but the law is in place to more or less protect children. Here in the us if you are under 18 you are a child, a minor - no questions asked. Even if you consider yourself an adult - the government does not.

Most stores already don't sell M games to kids under 17 anyway - so they aren't seeing much change if you ask me. I really don't see the problem.

its a problem of principle. Family values politician are just using this for a scapegoat of the real problems. The ratings arent absolute numbers. Oblivion is rated mature now because ratings have become alot stricter than they used to be. Is there any reason a 16 year old shouldnt be playing oblivion? A 16 year old playing oblivion is ILLEGAL now, i think this is a big issue. Land of the free...

I think one of us is misunderstanding the law. I read that it would be illegal for minors to buy the games - not to play them. If minors can't play M games, I'm with you... parents should be able to decide that, not the government.

However, if minors just can't buy the games - than I think that's for the best.

on another note, Oblivion is rated M for good reason - I'm sure you don;t have to think to hard to see why.

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I buy my own games as well - but the law is in place to more or less protect children. Here in the us if you are under 18 you are a child, a minor - no questions asked. Even if you consider yourself an adult - the government does not.

Most stores already don't sell M games to kids under 17 anyway - so they aren't seeing much change if you ask me. I really don't see the problem.

its a problem of principle. Family values politician are just using this for a scapegoat of the real problems. The ratings arent absolute numbers. Oblivion is rated mature now because ratings have become alot stricter than they used to be. Is there any reason a 16 year old shouldnt be playing oblivion? A 16 year old playing oblivion is ILLEGAL now, i think this is a big issue. Land of the free...

I think one of us is misunderstanding the law. I read that it would be illegal for minors to buy the games - not to play them. If minors can't play M games, I'm with you... parents should be able to decide that, not the government.

However, if minors just can't buy the games - than I think that's for the best.

on another note, Oblivion is rated M for good reason - I'm sure you don;t have to think to hard to see why.

Isnt playing rated m games tehsame as watching porn from a legal point of view? AKA illegal?

also i have no idea why oblivion is rated M

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I buy my own games as well - but the law is in place to more or less protect children. Here in the us if you are under 18 you are a child, a minor - no questions asked. Even if you consider yourself an adult - the government does not.

Most stores already don't sell M games to kids under 17 anyway - so they aren't seeing much change if you ask me. I really don't see the problem.

The problem is this law bypasses and ignores the ESRB in favor of their own qualifications for what is considered inappropriate. You'll undoubtedly find T-rated games being restricted as well.

In the grand scheme, just saying "well, these kids shouldn't be buying the games anyway, so it's not a problem" doesn't help things. The biggest issue with all of this isn't that kids can or can't buy M rated games, it's that no other entertainment medium (save for porn) is under anything other than a voluntary ratings system - MPAA ratings, for example. By allowing the government to step in and do the job the retailers are doing already (no better or worse than they are for movies, music, books, and what have you), you're giving them the leverage to not treat games as an equal medium.

Re: Oblivion, they had plenty of M-rated gore content in it already; that game was at best a low M from release, regardless of any hoopla over boobies.

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