Ouch...

[Taylor]

I don't know who DaveL is, what am I missing? It sounds full of awesome drama.

[Skjalg]

I dont get why you are all so pissed at DaveL for, what he did was just show that the stuff is fake, and that they are selling the skin before they've shot the bear...

And no, just because "everyone is doing it" doesnt make it right...

About time someone stood up and did this, imho

[mabufo]

And no, just because "everyone is doing it" doesnt make it right...

About time someone stood up and did this, imho

Quoted for Truth

[KoKo5oVaR]

It looks like this guy starts to be a legend.

[Minos]

It looks like this guy starts to be a legend.

That's his goal I think!!

[The Postman]

how do you know, postman?

i dont think one should pull down a whole project where there are 15+ people putting their time into making a game (or anything else) just because you're pissed on one of them. its childish (then again that is my own opinion). and what did he do to you?

ND is everything but a vaporwave.

He tried repeatedly to recruit me to his mod but I took one look at how he ran things and how much he wanted from people and said "No thanks." To which he responded with a whole lot of self-righteous "Who needs you anyways" and condesending shitty attitude.

I make mods for fun. Working on a fucking work time table in a "professional mod" atmosphere isn't fun.

Again, I have sympathy for the people working on the project, just not DaveL. The guy is a pompous windbag.

I dont get why you are all so pissed at DaveL for, what he did was just show that the stuff is fake, and that they are selling the skin before they've shot the bear...

DaveL made a lot of enemies in the mod community by just being a jerk in general and being ridiculously full of himself.

i wish someone would just post some logs with DaveL talking

He loves smilies and generally uses them in a condesending fashion, ie:

Postman: Hey

DaveL: Saw your work on your portfolio, very cool.

Postman: Thanks

DaveL: So would you be interested in working on an HL2 mod?

Postman: Not really, I'm busy with my own stuff and loads of stuff at work, but thanks anyhow.

DaveL: You sure?

Postman: Yeah, sorry man.

DaveL: Okay, it's not like we needed you anyways

Postman:

[Thrik]

DaveL is a shady bastard who's got a brilliant career ahead of him in PR because of his underhand nature. Those who don't think he's a cock haven't either spoken to or witnessed him in action on IRC/blogs/forums.

For example, phoning people up and having half-hour conversations with them because they said something bad about his mod in public. Or perhaps demanding that negative comments about his mod be taken down from a blog. And let's not forget his excellent ability to hype people up over absolutely nothing, which I always suspected but only now realise to be true having read this thread.

In fact, just look through the comments of the blog this thread began with and I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples.

The mod may have promise, but with a leader who's too obsessed with looking good and hyping everybody up for his own fame and fortune, it's going nowhere. If I can be proved wrong and a quality mod actually released then all the better, but I can't forsee it.

[Campaignjunkie]

[12] hey Campaignjunkie

[12] hello

[12] how are you?

[12] fine, thanks

[12] you know who I am at all?

[12] I wouldn't suppose so

[12] no, unfortunately :\

[12] curious if we've spoken before

[12] ah ok

[12] David Lyon, project manager of Nuclear Dawn

[12] nice to meet you

[12] and you as well

[12] been looking at your site, very nice stuff

[12] thanks

[12] have you seen any Nuclear Dawn media?

[13] yeah, some, just sa74n's subway shots recently

[13] ok cool

[13] well, we're now at a stage we have a game to play, and I'm curious if you fancy coming onboard

[13] not as a die-hard core team member, but rather to build a level layout and work on the gameplay primarily over the course of a few months testing

[13] as we're a multiplayer game

[13] gameplay is hugely important, as levels are replayed time and time again

[13] essentially abused for any flaw

[13] if you are interested, I'll continue

[13] Sorry, I don't fancy multiplayer mapping too much, thanks for the offer though

[13] sure thing

He seemed nice enough to me. But in the face of this overwhelming testimony, I guess I was the exception rather than the usual? No matter what his behavior actually is, I think you guys might be making too big of a deal out of this. He's just a person - not a comic book villain.

[Minos]

I'll ask jonny5 to post a little something cj...

I personaly never had any problems with him, he has always treated me kindly... but he's always messing with my people (insurgency guys). You mess with my guys you mess with me :wink:

Not that I hate him or something but he's truely a funny guy

[Thrik]

Nice guy or sneaky sod? It's a distinction that's sometimes very difficult to make.

[Spinlock]

Nice guy or sneaky sod? It's a distinction that's sometimes very difficult to make.

So true...

[curman]

Postman: Hey

DaveL: Saw your work on your portfolio, very cool.

Postman: Thanks

DaveL: So would you be interested in working on an HL2 mod?

Postman: Not really, I'm busy with my own stuff and loads of stuff at work, but thanks anyhow.

DaveL: You sure?

Postman: Yeah, sorry man.

DaveL: Okay, it's not like we needed you anyways

Postman:

While it appears rude, I think it's just saying the team members and progress already were enough to provide for the mod, you were going to be nothing more than an extra. He knows your qualified, you're just not "needed". It's nothing rude or disrespectful there at all, he wasn't depending the whole mod on you. While that's a nice paraphrasing of the converstation, I've yet to see any real logs of the guy doing much disrespect.

I think DaveL is funny, I spoke to him once or twice on IRC, he has all rights to command the modification to whatever his likings are, it's his project and everyone has the choice to contribute or not. It's his project, his ideas and his choice how to treat people, this is just one case of a crybaby.

[Skjalg]

I dont get why you are all so pissed at DaveL for, what he did was just show that the stuff is fake, and that they are selling the skin before they've shot the bear...

And no, just because "everyone is doing it" doesnt make it right...

About time someone stood up and did this, imho

God Im such a retard, I thought it was DaveL who had written the article... but that doesnt make much sense does it...

Anyyways, The guy has never done any harm as far as I've seen, and as long as it stays that way he's okaydokey for me :]~

[user]

According to king douchebag, the mod is showing progress despite what the photoshops show. Then, why didn't they release screenshots of the current progress instead of photoshoping old screenshots with old hud concept. Oh wait, what progress?

[Bic-B@ll]

i would consider those maps and models to be progress