Polaris Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 Was browsing Amazon for stuff and found this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158450 ... oding=UTF8 There is an interesting comment from the author: If you're reading this, I assume you have some interest in level design. Having just got back from the 2006 Game Developers Conference (GDC) last month, I have good news for you guys. It's open season for level design positions. Seriously Tonnes of game studios are scrambling for design and level design talent as the new wave of next generation titles for the XBOX360, PS3 and Revolution ramp up. Most of my colleagues that I spoke to at GDC all had the same story - where are the level designers? Even my own company is looking for more LD talent. Bigger budgets and bigger titles mean bigger teams - and that's where you come in. I really think this is a golden opportunity for folks interested in level design to get their break in the industry. In my many years in this industry I've rarely seen such a widespread call for level design talent. So if you aren't making levels as you read this, I really urge you to get some samples together, get yourself a portfolio and send out your work! Level design is a fantastic career, and all it takes to get noticed is some practice and persistence. I hope to see some of you on my team in the future Is this true? Quote
mabufo Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 I wouldn't doubt it. Though most development studios are always trying to fill at least one position. Quote
Polaris Posted April 30, 2006 Author Report Posted April 30, 2006 Are you the Mabufo from Interlopers? Quote
mabufo Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 Are you the Mabufo from Interlopers? I sure am. Quote
Furyo Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 If my own story bares any sign of similarity with whatever other studios are doing right now, then yes it sure is true. Quote
Bic-B@ll Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 you made 1 map and got hired? you just made that map too D: Quote
Polaris Posted April 30, 2006 Author Report Posted April 30, 2006 I have to admit that is pretty crazy. Quote
IR Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 i guess sad enough this is true, not to piss on anyone because everyone has the start somewhere, however i think that were starting to see with the new generation of games, and bugets/teams that come with it that big companies are just trying to fill up all the empty spots, and rely on the experienced people and leads to bring it together, who are heavly out numbered by the fast amount of new people that are either straight from a college they didnt even finish or picked out off the crowd of people that made one or 2 maps in their lives, which is logical but not always easy to have people make decisions on gameplay but dont really understand the mechanics of it,were in small companies, experience is desired for their future will often depand on the title. Quote
Polaris Posted April 30, 2006 Author Report Posted April 30, 2006 i guess sad enough this is true, not to piss on anyone because everyone has the start somewhere, however i think that were starting to see with the new generation of games, and bugets/teams that come with it that big companies are just trying to fill up all the empty spots, and rely on the experienced people and leads to bring it together, who are heavly out numbered by the fast amount of new people that are either straight from a college they didnt even finish or picked out off the crowd of people that made one or 2 maps in their lives, which is logical but not always easy to have people make decisions on gameplay but dont really understand the mechanics of it,were in small companies, experience is desired for their future will often depand on the title. Wow, now thats what I call a run-on sentance! :wink: I think you may be right though, but wouldn't they retain their more experienced mappers as the LD heads and regualte grunt work to the less experienced? Quote
Grinwhrl Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 it must be true. I know several people/friends that just got level design jobs and/or are in the process of getting a job. Quote
Furyo Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 Well that reminds me of an article posted here some days ago, that basically said the average career span in the game industry was 5 years, after which people move on to other things. If that's true at all, that would explain the need for a lot more people, and when you want low costs, you're gonna take all the newbies like me and pay them less than any experienced guy. Yes you need to start somewhere, and yes you won't always find great level designers. But it's just like any job where one is hired because of his motivation, and one needs to work his way up the ladder. It's all about the mentality with which you go to work every day. I understand how this is frustrating for far more experienced level designers, and people who have had to work real hard and for a lot longer to get similar positions (and of course those that still don't have said positions), but this is the same thing in any industry. You'll find opportunists every step of the way, and bluntly put, some very very lucky guys Bottom line, if these newbies aren't any good, they'll be gone at the end of the project. Permanent positions are only given to those that can do something. A dangerous mentality would be to think you're the new hottest shit to hit the fan and think you're the new genius no one can afford to lose. But those guys don't last long either. Quote
sensee Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 I've seen a lot of guys with very mediocre portfolios getting a job in the industry recently. I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. Quote
Skjalg Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 I dont seem to land a job... God this thread kills me... Quote
IR Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 Well that reminds me of an article posted here some days ago, that basically said the average career span in the game industry was 5 years, after which people move on to other things. If that's true at all, that would explain the need for a lot more people, and when you want low costs, you're gonna take all the newbies like me and pay them less than any experienced guy. Yes you need to start somewhere, and yes you won't always find great level designers. But it's just like any job where one is hired because of his motivation, and one needs to work his way up the ladder. It's all about the mentality with which you go to work every day. I understand how this is frustrating for far more experienced level designers, and people who have had to work real hard and for a lot longer to get similar positions (and of course those that still don't have said positions), but this is the same thing in any industry. You'll find opportunists every step of the way, and bluntly put, some very very lucky guys Bottom line, if these newbies aren't any good, they'll be gone at the end of the project. Permanent positions are only given to those that can do something. A dangerous mentality would be to think you're the new hottest shit to hit the fan and think you're the new genius no one can afford to lose. But those guys don't last long either. I agree, motivation is everything, and there are those that learn want to learn and are greatful and love it, my words are more aimed towards those that go do their job like its any other and lack that motivation and passion to discover and improve themselfs, unfortunatly thats what comes with this huge need for bigger teams, not just leveldesigners. ofcourse its not everyone I can see that around me aswell. but logically you cant deny that you'll be more likely to find that motivation with someone that came from a mod comunity like this one or any other that said, I wasnt reffering to you ofcourse, or ment it to be personal Quote
Furyo Posted April 30, 2006 Report Posted April 30, 2006 Absolutely, coming from Mapcore or any other community is more likely than not a sign of general interest and motivation. I didn't take it personally at all, but my point is that I'd rather work with extremely motivated people with no experience than experienced people who don't care about the game and want to do their 9-5. The team here has just seen a lot of new comers. I wasn't the only one, as 3 other guys started within a week of my own start. We are 10 total, with only 2 with permanent position. The first one has 10 years experience (lead) and the other 8. The rest of us have never worked on AAA titles or just started on Kong. One is a former gfx artist that wanted to move to LD, the other was in charge of optimization on Kong and had made a game for the Xbox by himself prior to that. Then you have me with that one map for Source, an intern who's finishing his studies, a former Kong tester and a web designer with no experience whatsoever in 3D. The two others also worked on Kong and are more involved in testing new gameplay features. So yeah, it all looks like a big zoo and one can really wonder what the hell happened for this team to be assembled. But believe it or not, it actually works quite well, but it's got more to do with the way things work at Ubi Montpellier as opposed to us being proficient already. It works because we're really motivated and all work together. And right now it's pre-prod time, and we're well aware that we're still being trained and are learning the tools. Time will tell if that continues into actual production time. Quote
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