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True true, I can agree with that, skjalg. That's a special kind of daily torture for 10 years of mental anguish. Anyone have any concrete specifics on this girl's cause of death? I mean, I think at this point we're all generalizing or guessing from anecdotal evidence. I've known lots of gothic kids in my time so that's what I'm pulling from and the story that Skjalg just related here is another very valid angle. So what's the particulars of this case?

The girl Skjalg is talking about told nobody of her problems, so you wouldnt know shit about them and probably call her a weak loser in her face. And when shes dead, you would do it again.

Its not like ppl go around telling their life stories to evrybody. Especially not to negative ppl :roll:

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The girl Skjalg is talking about told nobody of her problems, so you wouldnt know shit about them and probably call her a weak loser in her face. And when shes dead, you would do it again.

Its not like ppl go around telling their life stories to evrybody. Especially not to negative ppl :roll:

Oh shut the fuck up RD. Christ. Now you're just being contrary to be contrary.

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He does have a point though. You said yourself that you knew alot of goth kids, and because of that you generalize. But did you really know them? Its quite clear that you have a very negative attitude against goths (understandably, since I do to), and if I were a goth I sure as hell wouldnt spew out my problems to the people that dont like me that much..

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Goths are confusing creatures, for they are contradictory,

the way the majorty is conforming to non conformism is one act that makes me confused.

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He does have a point though. You said yourself that you knew alot of goth kids, and because of that you generalize. But did you really know them? Its quite clear that you have a very negative attitude against goths (understandably, since I do to), and if I were a goth I sure as hell wouldnt spew out my problems to the people that dont like me that much..

He's strictly being contrary for the sake of being contrary though skjalg. There's no way any of us could know what that girl was on about and his generalization is just as much a generalization as mine. However mine is at the very least backed up by some anecdotal knowledge. Trust me (and ask Mikey about my mohawk) I know punks/goths/whatever. Goths are the dramawhores of the "scene." They live on being ever ensconced in a mood of depression and infighting. They're petty and vain and self destructive.

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yep, I know, but theres usually a reason to it. (bad childhood etc) Which is what RD was talking about...

And yes, RD is always the one pointing out flaws in other peoples' arguments just for the sake of pouring gazoline on the flame of discussion ;)

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He does have a point though. You said yourself that you knew alot of goth kids, and because of that you generalize. But did you really know them? Its quite clear that you have a very negative attitude against goths (understandably, since I do to), and if I were a goth I sure as hell wouldnt spew out my problems to the people that dont like me that much..

He's strictly being contrary for the sake of being contrary though skjalg. There's no way any of us could know what that girl was on about and his generalization is just as much a generalization as mine. However mine is at the very least backed up by some anecdotal knowledge. Trust me (and ask Mikey about my mohawk) I know punks/goths/whatever. Goths are the dramawhores of the "scene." They live on being ever ensconced in a mood of depression and infighting. They're petty and vain and self destructive.

The difference is the generalization you made was negative and mine was positive. Its because im a positive person :)

You should always give ppl the benefit of the doubt when you have no idea about them.

Besides that, the goths you know are alive. Its not logical to assume they would kill themselves because they are dramawhores. Obviously the vast armies of goths you know are dramawhores AND alive. Apart from that you have again no clue why they are dramawhores or self destructive, and again make a negative generalization to make yourself feel superior.

This is just you pretending that another persons problems are little, while the truth is there is a corpse that proofs otherwise. While you may not think her problems were serious enough to commit suicide if you knew about them, they were serious enough for her.

Its also a sign of respect not to ridicule the dead, and im sure the relatives which you pretend to be so worried about, appreciate that.

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The difference is the generalization you made was negative and mine was positive. Its because im a positive person :)

So that makes you right? :roll:

You should always give ppl the benefit of the doubt when you have no idea about them.

Yes, forget past experiences as indicators of present action, that never helped anyone!

Besides that, the goths you know are alive. Its not logical to assume they would kill themselves because they are dramawhores. Obviously the vast armies of goths you know are dramawhores AND alive.

Actually, at least 3 are dead and every last one a suicide! Thanks for your generalization :D

Apart from that you have again no clue why they are dramawhores or self destructive, and again make a negative generalization to make yourself feel superior.

Actually I do. They're vain, petty and self destructive because they crave attention at any cost. It's a case of "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!"

This is just you pretending that another persons problems are little, while the truth is there is a corpse that proofs otherwise. While you may not think her problems were serious enough to commit suicide if you knew about them, they were serious enough for her.

A person's actions are never simply justifiable because they happened. By your logic we can justify genocide and '80s hair metal.

Its also a sign of respect not to ridicule the dead, and im sure the relatives which you pretend to be so worried about, appreciate that.

I respect those who garner respect. Killing yourself for selfish reasons and leaving a wave of sorrow in your wake is not respectable.

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The difference is the generalization you made was negative and mine was positive. Its because im a positive person :)

So that makes you right? :roll:

I just explained it to you >

You should always give ppl the benefit of the doubt when you have no idea about them.

Kinda like innocent untill proven guilty? Get it?

And about your past experiences, we all have past experiences with the human race and folks that òffed emselves. But all humanoids are different and unique, even goths that wear the same cloths.

This little angel has gone thru the worst hell you can imagine, losing the will to live. The reason behind it doesnt really matter, you shouldnt trample on her.

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