WoW madness

[Section_Ei8ht]

word, jon. word, indeed.

[mawibse]

She gave up her life and her consciousness because of some petty, temporary drama-laden teenaged woe and that is disgusting.

....you need to take those pills, you know how you get when you forget them.

*leads Posty back too his room*

[JamesL]

A seriously disturbing lack of empathy here. It's apparent few of you have ever been to close to a suicide before or have even the slightest inkling of the mind-state of someone considering such. Folks in that position need help not scorn, and generally have a very good reason for what they are contemplating.

I am a little shocked at some of the stuff I am reading here, not the specifics but the implicit underlying values. I didn't think a professional site would be home to bigotry like this.

[KoKo5oVaR]

Guyyys, there's no point to discuss if suicide is justified or not, a death is always tragic.

[Skjalg]

Guyyys, there's no point to discuss if suicide is justified or not, a death is always tragic.

Not many people cried when hitler shot himself, thats for sure! But yea, I get what you're saying...

But if you ever have the urge.... go here!

[FrieChamp]

If I actually knew the person that died and would like to express my condolences.

I certainly wouldn't do it in fuckin' WoW.

Also:

I lol'd at scatman

Anything else beyond this is a different story.

[The Postman]

A seriously disturbing lack of empathy here. It's apparent few of you have ever been to close to a suicide before or have even the slightest inkling of the mind-state of someone considering such. Folks in that position need help not scorn, and generally have a very good reason for what they are contemplating.

Maybe Friechamp can shed a little light on exactly why she took her own life, but my money's on "typical goth depression BS mixed with attention-needing BS."

I am a little shocked at some of the stuff I am reading here, not the specifics but the implicit underlying values. I didn't think a professional site would be home to bigotry like this.

Bigotry implies a specific caste or race of people. Suicidal teenagers are neither.

I think you missed the point of my arguments though. Her death is tragic to her family and friends and her death was selfish because it caused that tragedy and was a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

[RD]

A seriously disturbing lack of empathy here. It's apparent few of you have ever been to close to a suicide before or have even the slightest inkling of the mind-state of someone considering such. Folks in that position need help not scorn, and generally have a very good reason for what they are contemplating.

I am a little shocked at some of the stuff I am reading here, not the specifics but the implicit underlying values. I didn't think a professional site would be home to bigotry like this.

I am relieved to find some wisdom in this forum.

Your in control of your life, and your emotions, because your in control of your existence and the universe and everything that goes with it. If you want to live a happy life, you can do it no matter your situation, it is just hard to do and may take time. If you want to live a sad depressing life, you will reguardless of your situation. You can control your emotions (this can be shown scientifically by how the hypothalamus produces peptides etc) Its hard to do for some people, but its possible.

You exist as a neural network, your life is that neural network, you choose how you want it to be. This can stand true for even the farthest extreme examples.

You create reality, you create the one truth in the world, which is reality, or existence or life or whatever you want to call it, I suppose its your right to cease existence. Although I believe it is possible, many cases perhaps very hard but still possible, that all who choose to commit suicide due to extreme depression or whatever can turn those emotions around and lead happy fulfilling lives.

Everythings mental... The mind has no limitations, however there are barriers which are nearly impossible to break, and it is at these barriers where we run into problems.

A weak attempt to explain life by simplifying things. Besides that your logic has a disturbing conclusion: evrybody that isnt happy is weak. The truth that you yourself are too weak to face is that sometimes things will never get ok again.

Yes, it is that complicated numbnuts. High school drama and high school depression is dealt with and above all: TEMPORARY.

The sadness of losing a child is temporary. Life itself is temporary.

When you are an old men you can look back and believe that they were just temporary problems from the good old days. But the truth is we live now, not in the future.

There's a level of maturity and sense of self that most people get after they've gone through their teenaged years. If you can't get past that you're weak, and if you choose suicide you're even weaker and you really don't care about others and are selfish to the extreme fault.

Obviously you havent tried hard enough at understanding other humanoids aka EMPATHY. When you have a disturbed childhood, you will never reach the level of maturity which you are talking about. The person you have developed into will never go away.

Life can be good and life can be bad, dont pretend otherwise Posty.

I have no idea why this goth angel killed herself and neither do you. You projected your negative thoughts onto her while at the same time pretending to be positive in life. Ironic.

[st0lve]

I really don't see why people do these kinds of things in WoW, and atleast not why they do it where they can be attacked.

[The Postman]

A weak attempt to explain life by simplifying things. Besides that your logic has a disturbing conclusion: evrybody that isnt happy is weak. The truth that you yourself are too weak to face is that sometimes things will never get ok again.

Highschool and all the problems of being a teenager are about as temporary as you can get. Four years unless you get held back, but then that's your own damned fault, just like dressing in black, wearing corpse makeup and then wondering why people treat you like an outcast.

The sadness of losing a child is temporary.

Please go talk to a grieving mother ten years after losing her child, or heck at any time during her life. She might have come to terms with it, but the pain and sadness still linger under those scars. It is in no way as temporary a problem as not being popular in high school.

Life itself is temporary.

Life is your entire life, so in the grand scheme of your own life it's an entirety, not a temporal state of being.

Obviously you havent tried hard enough at understanding other humanoids aka EMPATHY. When you have a disturbed childhood, you will never reach the level of maturity which you are talking about. The person you have developed into will never go away.

Life can be good and life can be bad, dont pretend otherwise Posty.

I have no idea why this goth angel killed herself and neither do you. You projected your negative thoughts onto her while at the same time pretending to be positive in life. Ironic.

Oh cut the esoteric bullshit, RD. You state obvious natures while skipping completely over the fact that in this case this dumbass's actions hurt all those around her for a purely selfish solution to very temporary problems. I have empathy for her problems, not her actions. I have empathy for her parents and friends. You make sweeping assumptions while trying to play up this moral pedestal but honestly your reading comprehension sucks.

[RD]

Highschool and all the problems of being a teenager are about as temporary as you can get. Four years unless you get held back, but then that's your own damned fault, just like dressing in black, wearing corpse makeup and then wondering why people treat you like an outcast.

In the grand scheme of being a teenager, it's an entirety, not a temporal state of being.

Please go talk to a grieving mother ten years after losing her child, or heck at any time during her life. She might have come to terms with it, but the pain and sadness still linger under those scars. It is in no way as temporary a problem as not being popular in high school.

Hmmmm.... so you are saying that a temporary event can leave permanent marks in your life? But not for teenagers?

Life is your entire life, so in the grand scheme of your own life it's an entirety, not a temporal state of being.

Life is made up of moments

Oh cut the esoteric bullshit, RD. You state obvious natures while skipping completely over the fact that in this case this dumbass's actions hurt all those around her for a purely selfish solution to very temporary problems. I have empathy for her problems, not her actions. I have empathy for her parents and friends. You make sweeping assumptions while trying to play up this moral pedestal but honestly your reading comprehension sucks.

She killed herself because ppl didnt like her black dress. Now thats a sweeping assumption :roll:

The truth is you know nothing about this girl, and you project your negativity onto her, while she could be an angel with real problems.

[The Postman]

In the grand scheme of being a teenager, it's an entirety, not a temporal state of being.

No, that doesn't work. Sorry.

Hmmmm.... so you are saying that a temporary event can leave permanent marks in your life? But not for teenagers?

I'm saying there are gradations and that the problems of youth are infinitely smaller and more petty than problems of adulthood and death.

Life is made up of moments

And a book is chapters, but still a book in its entirety.

She killed herself because ppl didnt like her black dress. Now thats a sweeping assumption :roll:

Know many goths at all? I'm going to guess no.

[Skjalg]

I get what you are saying, The Postman, and I agree with you to some degree, but you are generalizing alot.

I'm in no way justifiying killing yourself here, but some kids do have abusive parents, and just good old regular shitty living conditions. And while beeing raped several times over the course of 10 years might not have the biggest impact on you socially, it might have on others. (Just putting it on the edge here, dont worry, I'm not sympathizing with suiciders)

I once stumbled upon this norwegian site written by a 16 year old girl, and she had written her entire life story and goodbye note on that site right before she off'd herself. One thing that I remembered was a story about when she was in class once, they had a discussion about what the worst thing that could happen to you were and the teacher said it was death! She herself, having been molested by her dad over a couple of years didnt agree, because she'd rather be dead than be feeling what she was feeling. The shame, the shyness, the never wanting a boy to touch her, having commitment problems etc etc.

ofcourse I agreed with the teacher here, because I believe that you eventually can overcome such problems and live a happy life in, say, 10 years. But I can also see that during those 10 years, it's probably hell and 10 years of torture for that kid. And when you are tortured, and you never know when it'll stop, many people want to off themselves.

[The Postman]

I get what you are saying, The Postman, and I agree with you to some degree, but you are generalizing alot.

I'm in no way justifiying killing yourself here, but some kids do have abusive parents, and just good old regular shitty living conditions. And while beeing raped several times over the course of 10 years might not have the biggest impact on you socially, it might have on others. (Just putting it on the edge here, dont worry, I'm not sympathizing with suiciders)

I once stumbled upon this norwegian site written by a 16 year old girl, and she had written her entire life story and goodbye note on that site right before she off'd herself. One thing that I remembered was a story about when she was in class once, they had a discussion about what the worst thing that could happen to you were and the teacher said it was death! She herself, having been molested by her dad over a couple of years didnt agree, because she'd rather be dead than be feeling what she was feeling. The shame, the shyness, the never wanting a boy to touch her, having commitment problems etc etc.

ofcourse I agreed with the teacher here, because I believe that you eventually can overcome such problems and live a happy life in, say, 10 years. But I can also see that during those 10 years, it's probably hell and 10 years of torture for that kid. And when you are tortured, and you never know when it'll stop, many people want to off themselves.

True true, I can agree with that, skjalg. That's a special kind of daily torture for 10 years of mental anguish. Anyone have any concrete specifics on this girl's cause of death? I mean, I think at this point we're all generalizing or guessing from anecdotal evidence. I've known lots of gothic kids in my time so that's what I'm pulling from and the story that Skjalg just related here is another very valid angle. So what's the particulars of this case?

[Skjalg]

Noone really knows...

Hell, we cant even be sure if she (he?) really did it, its the internet after all..