big bang

[The Postman]

what corner?

I think he's alluding to it "pushing" god into a narrower and more precise definition while removing a lot of the mysticism and well, ignorance surrounding many religious assumptions. It is a valid statement and argument to suggest that all of creation explained by science is well within the powers of God(s) to create. It is not a valid or defenseable position to suggest that all evidence against biblical creation mythology or other creation mythology is false simply because it disagrees with the mythology's storyline. IE: Nexus's all-caps post of "NO IT'S NOT!" which is so much chaff in the breeze when it comes to a real argument.

[TomWithTheWeather]

I thought this kind of belonged in this thread.

"The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing. Thus there is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation...

"So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words."

-H.J. Muller

[Pericolos0]

i wish more people would just understand that