9/11 - some scientific stuff to think about it

[von*ferret]

Nexus is a shining example of why America has the free right to stupidity.

[Bic-B@ll]

I myself was in 8th grade at the time, in science class. Someone told me that a plane crashed into the WTC, other than that I had no idea what happened. The school refused to let the teachers turn the tv on or even say anything, I didn't know they had fallen down until 9th period. My dad worked in the WTC, he was in 1 Penn Plaza that day for some training.

Edit: Agreed, Nexus is fucking retarded.

[Minos]

Well you know, the guys who did the crusades were christians too. The guys who burned people alive too. I don't think religion really matters in this subject. Money/Power means a lot more to greedy people than a nice afterlife if you get what I mean.

I ain't got no phsycs degree either but I don't believe a plane hit the pentagon. This pic speaks for itself:

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/pentag ... -width.jpg

I dont get it, what does that picture say? Did you see the pictures of streetlights that the plane broke while flying over? If it wasnt a plane, what was it? A 100ft thick missile? And the ppl driving on the freeway saw the plane as well, and all the ppl inside the plane went missing so where are they? Where did the plane go if it didnt hit the Pentagon? Where are the passengers? What did the airtraffic controllers see on their radars? What broke the streetlamps, and how did the plane pieces get inside the Pentagon? 2 planes were caught on camera crashing into buildings,1 hit a field, guess what crashed into the Pentagon.

1) the tree is intact

2) there are intact windows on the left and on the right

3) Where's the tail ?

Besides that, how could unskilled, unprofessional and unexperienced pilots (the terrorists) perform such a hard trick ? Yeah I'm no pilot but I can picture it as "very difficult" to hit such a "short" (as in opposed to tall) target without having years and years of experience.

The "dumb" terrorists had the same flighttraining as other "dumb" pilots who are now actually flying planes.

No. As far as I know they had never flought real planes before, just simulators. The WTC is easy to hit but the pentagon ? To hit such a short building you need at least landing experience, and if I recall the guy from the flight school said that they never really cared about taking off and landing while training. All they wanted to know was how to keep the plane flying.

[mikezilla]

he didn't land it

[Tequila]

he didn't land it

Exactly. It's preposterous to think that they'd need any special knowledge beyond what they already had (i.e. enough to keep the thing in the air) to point the nose down and fly into a building.

[Bic-B@ll]

Well you know, the guys who did the crusades were christians too. The guys who burned people alive too. I don't think religion really matters in this subject. Money/Power means a lot more to greedy people than a nice afterlife if you get what I mean.

I ain't got no phsycs degree either but I don't believe a plane hit the pentagon. This pic speaks for itself:

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/pentag ... -width.jpg

I dont get it, what does that picture say? Did you see the pictures of streetlights that the plane broke while flying over? If it wasnt a plane, what was it? A 100ft thick missile? And the ppl driving on the freeway saw the plane as well, and all the ppl inside the plane went missing so where are they? Where did the plane go if it didnt hit the Pentagon? Where are the passengers? What did the airtraffic controllers see on their radars? What broke the streetlamps, and how did the plane pieces get inside the Pentagon? 2 planes were caught on camera crashing into buildings,1 hit a field, guess what crashed into the Pentagon.

1) the tree is intact

2) there are intact windows on the left and on the right

3) Where's the tail ?

Besides that, how could unskilled, unprofessional and unexperienced pilots (the terrorists) perform such a hard trick ? Yeah I'm no pilot but I can picture it as "very difficult" to hit such a "short" (as in opposed to tall) target without having years and years of experience.

The "dumb" terrorists had the same flighttraining as other "dumb" pilots who are now actually flying planes.

No. As far as I know they had never flought real planes before, just simulators. The WTC is easy to hit but the pentagon ? To hit such a short building you need at least landing experience, and if I recall the guy from the flight school said that they never really cared about taking off and landing while training. All they wanted to know was how to keep the plane flying.

the tree, is really far away, adjacent to the highway:

http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-1 ... _12_01.jpg

the plane, came into the building from a 45 degree angle

http://media.popularmechanics.com/image ... 001-lg.jpg

something like the picture here, you can see the trees off to the left

the tail is made of aluminum. i went camping once and made a kind of big fire, we threw some cans in and they melted immediately. Now imagine a plane flying at 400mph, filled with fuel, crashing into a hard building.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/8.jpg heres a good picture of the crash area

stuff about the hole in the pentagon

http://911review.com/attack/pentagon/impact.html

oh, and you should read this:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

[Fletch]

Okay, now that we've debunked the WTC and Pentagon hoaz theories, let's go after Flight 93.

[kleinluka]

READ HERE:

9/11 debunking the myths:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... 27842.html

flight 93 snippet:

FLIGHT 93

Cockpit recordings indicate the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 teamed up to attack their hijackers, forcing down the plane near Shanksville, in southwestern Pennsylvania. But conspiracy theorists assert Flight 93 was destroyed by a heat-seeking missile from an F-16 or a mysterious white plane. Some theorists add far-fetched elaborations: No terrorists were aboard, or the passengers were drugged. The wildest is the "bumble planes" theory, which holds that passengers from Flights 11, 175 and 77 were loaded onto Flight 93 so the U.S. government could kill them.

The White Jet

CLAIM: At least six eyewitnesses say they saw a small white jet flying low over the crash area almost immediately after Flight 93 went down. BlogD.com theorizes that the aircraft was downed by "either a missile fired from an Air Force jet, or via an electronic assault made by a U.S. Customs airplane reported to have been seen near the site minutes after Flight 93 crashed." WorldNetDaily.com weighs in: "Witnesses to this low-flying jet ... told their story to journalists. Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever--alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 ft. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5000 ft. and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend."

FACT: There was such a jet in the vicinity--a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft."--not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.

Roving Engine

CLAIM: One of Flight 93's engines was found "at a considerable distance from the crash site," according to Lyle Szupinka, a state police officer on the scene who was quoted in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Offering no evidence, a posting on Rense.com claimed: "The main body of the engine ... was found miles away from the main wreckage site with damage comparable to that which a heat-seeking missile would do to an airliner."

FACT: Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.

Indian Lake

CLAIM: "Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains," states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. "Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene." Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: "On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it--winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. ... The FBI lied." And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: "Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down."

FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake.

Map by International Mapping

F-16 Pilot

CLAIM: In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on "The Alex Jones Show," a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: "It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93." LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: "Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in midflight at precisely 0958."

FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. "I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes--it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims' families but to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter. I get angry at the misinformation out there."

[Bic-B@ll]

you stole my link

[The Postman]

Klein is my hero! GREAT post.

[Bic-B@ll]

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i hate you all

[Taylor Swift]

I am not fucking retarded, you are just ignorant and need read more books and all have watched to many films on google that s imaginary fake and including stupid content, half photoshopped and half moviemaker false.

It's not my fault all blame America, it doesn't matter what you think but the government is soo misty and misleading for the public.

Yeah say what you say but you are just acting like a 12 years old kid off school that is just picking fights and produce hate.

Stop reacting like 12 year old

Oh if you are so vulnerable go hate me then I wont give a fuck.

I'm through of this shit and im through with this. This is unbeliavable, this is fucking bullshit to me.. What the fuck is this?

Edit: I'm not a racist or anything and i respect America but I don't understand the government.

[von*ferret]

I'm more or less speaking about your complete ignorance of proper grammar. Crap man, I'm not great at speaking english or putting my thoughts together in a coherent manner, but you've broken all english laws put forth.

Awesome post klein~

[Section_Ei8ht]

Stop reacting like 12 year old

Stop speaking like one.

[insta]

Please either ban nexus or activate an ignore function.