A quick little note

[Fletch]

Ok kids, I get it. Posty is a big mean monster that kills all your posts. Guess what, I do it to. And in regards to the stuff that's been deleted in the last few days, both of us have talked about it previous to it happening. If you're going to be mad at Posty, you might as well be mad at me to. Posty just takes the time to tell you why your posts are gone, and I could care less about your petty feelings.

I am not your mommy. Neither is Posty. We don't delete posts where any of you are expressing your viewpoint or engaging in debate. We delete posts where you try to turn this forum into EOT. We delete posts that fuck up the forum software. We delete posts that are way off topic or personal attacks against somebody. If you've got a problem with that, then keep it to yourself because I certainly don't give a flying fuck about it, and I'm fairly certain that nobody else does either. If you want to press your case, just remember it takes you about a minute or longer to write out and type a post. It takes me 2 seconds to delete it. And I've got a lot more spare time than you.

Here's the new barrometer as to whether or not Posty and I are being too heavy handed. If you tihnk we did something unfair, go tell one of your parents, a girlfriend/boyfriend, or somebody else who has nothing to do with Mapcore. If they don't laugh in your face, then you might have a point. If they stare at you like you might be inbred, then your point is lost.

Now, in my amazing benevolence and desire to foster and open space to talk about this, I'm leaving this thread unlocked for a few days. If you have any logical problems with the forum moderation or would like one of our rules (which I revised today) edited, please mention it. We'll have a polite discussion about it.

Your Overlord,

Fletch

[DaanO]

Ok kids, I get it. The Postman is a big mean monster that kills all your posts. Guess what, I do it to. And in regards to the stuff that's been deleted in the last few days, both of us have talked about it previous to it happening. If you're going to be mad at The Postman, you might as well be mad at me to. The Postman just takes the time to tell you why your posts are gone and I could care less about your petty feelings.

I am not your mommy. Neither is The Postman. We don't delete posts where any of you are expressing your viewpoint or engaging in debate. We delete posts where you try to turn this forum into EOT. We delete posts that fuck up the forum software. We delete posts that are way off topic or personal attacks against somebody. If you've got a problem with that then keep it to yourself because I certainly don't give a flying fuck about it, and I'm fairly certain that nobody else does either. If you want to press your case, just remember it takes you about a minute or longer to write out and type a post. It takes me 2 seconds to delete it. And I've got a lot more spare time than you.

Here's the new barometer as to whether or not The Postman and I are being too heavy handed. If you think we did something unfair, go tell one of your parents, a girlfriend/boyfriend, or somebody else who has nothing to do with Mapcore. If they don't laugh in your face, then you might have a point. If they stare at you like you might be inbred, then your point is lost.

Now, in my amazing benevolence and desire to foster and open space to talk about this, I'm leaving this thread unlocked for a few days. If you have any logical problems with the forum moderation or would like one of our rules (which I revised today) edited, please mention it. We'll have a polite discussion about it.

Your Overlord,

Fletch

*ahem*. Although i agree with your point, it's being taken too far and besides that i think Posty is quite prejudiced about RD and that led to some unfair judgements. For example, some of the cartoons he posted (along with a constructed opinion) were deleted even though they added to the discussion. I agree that muslim-bashing adds nothing but those pictures were, as far as i can see, not posted for that purpose (alone). I can see how you want the political discussion forum to be something serious but when threads are closed because people write 'ppl' or 'youre' then, in my most humble opinion, it's being taken way too far. Especially because the discussion that was going on was a decent discussion that even got me some new insights.

[Steppenwolf]

My suggestions:

1. Forget grammar check completely. One of the polls in this forum showed that two thirds of the forum people are no native english speakers. Go play grammar nazi in a university or high school forum

2. no arrogant attitude and disrespecting comments against people with a different opinion from the moderators. this lets you look stupid in front of the whole community. discussion on irc showed that most people agree with that.

3. Telling people when and for what reason their posts are deleted or censored

[Tequila]

P.S. plz dunt dlete.

[Fletch]

I talked to Posty about it a fe days ago, and the policy now is that nobody is going to be editing for spelling or grammar unless it is just horrible, in which case it would probably just be deleted. The initial point about that was to stop using l33t speak so much. That rule has been updated and clarified in the forums rules post.

[DaanO]

Thanks Fletch, thanks Posty.

[Section_Ei8ht]

Fletch, you are my new internet hero.

[Fletch]

3. Telling people when and for what reason their posts are deleted or censored

If it's in violation of the forum rules, it will be deleted. If it's a first time kind of thing, we'll try to send a PM and let them know why. If it's a repeating problem with that person, we won't be wasting time sending PMs. We'll try to use PMs so that threads don't get completely hijacked by explaining why. In return, if you have a question or problem about your post being deleted, please use a PM.

[Kosmo]

I am sorry but I can't just press enough this matter

3. Telling people when and for what reason their posts are deleted or censored

If you honestly think that punishing people without telling them what you are punishing people for is the right thing to do, you are more misguided than the person itself.

Edit: Dear Kosmo, I edited your post because you spammed the same line 100 times as though that would make a point. It doesn't. Presenting a well thought out arguement makes a point. Also, if you'll notice the thing I just wrote right above your post, you'll see I already talked about that. But hey, thanks for calling me misguided. -Luv Fletch

[Steppenwolf]

I am sorry but I can't just press enough this matter

3. Telling people when and for what reason their posts are deleted or censored

If you honestly think that punishing people without telling them what you are punishing people for is the right thing to do, you are more misguided than the person itself.

Edit: Dear Kosmo, I edited your post because you spammed the same line 100 times as though that would make a point. It doesn't. Presenting a well thought out arguement makes a point. Also, if you'll notice the thing I just wrote right above your post, you'll see I already talked about that. But hey, thanks for calling me misguided. -Luv Fletch

I meant serious posts not nonsense posts :roll:

Like the arabic pictures of mohamed that i posted to documentate that pictures of him are not only made by danish newspapers.

[Skjalg]

Ok kids, I get it. Posty is a big mean monster that kills all your posts. Guess what, I do it to. And in regards to the stuff that's been deleted in the last few days, both of us have talked about it previous to it happening. If you're going to be mad at Posty, you might as well be mad at me to. Posty just takes the time to tell you why your posts are gone, and I could care less about your petty feelings.

I am not your mommy. Neither is Posty. We don't delete posts where any of you are expressing your viewpoint or engaging in debate. We delete posts where you try to turn this forum into EOT. We delete posts that fuck up the forum software. We delete posts that are way off topic or personal attacks against somebody. If you've got a problem with that, then keep it to yourself because I certainly don't give a flying fuck about it, and I'm fairly certain that nobody else does either. If you want to press your case, just remember it takes you about a minute or longer to write out and type a post. It takes me 2 seconds to delete it. And I've got a lot more spare time than you.

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Your Overlord,

Fletch

What's the point of this whole thread again?

Okay, I'll humour the other persons on this forum then;

This whole thing started when The Postman started deleting posts in a rather hot thread. The discussion was far from over, but as I see it, The Postman saw it as over because his arguments were flawed and everyone weren't seeing the world as he did (from my point of view). And he kinda reminded me of my big brother when he run out of arguments and subconsciousnessly (this is my theory) sees this himself. That makes him pissed off and he lashes out on anything and everyone, participating in the debate, trying to just erase the valid points they make, and therefor making his arguments true in a way (to him). This is both childish and un-objective. Atleast in my opinion. (If that didn't make any sense, just picture the one drunk guy at parties always getting into debates where he himself always think he wins because he always cuts the other person off when that person makes a good arguent. Or screams louder than him, and the other person just gets that expression in his eyes where he just goes "oh god this guy is so stupid, this guy cant be talked to in a normal way").

When that one guy posted using a huge avatar, The Postman could've just gone into his profile and erased the avatar. That approach would've spared him time, actually.

Deleting posts makes the thread really unorganized, since some users will see the posts before they are deleted and some will not, which wont put all the users on equal footing, for one. Not to mention all the posts answering the ghost posts.

If there is anything offensive towards other users on the forum, just delete the words, not the post. If the whole post is something offensive, replace the info with "[user1] is out of arguments and lashes out against [user2] with personal attacks!"

If you guys think this job is so tough that you can't do it properly (The way you've written this post, calling each and everyone else on this forum kids, telling us that you dont give a flying fuck etc clearly tells me that you find your 'job' here annoying. Oh and, who's calling names again?), why dont you get someone else to do it? I know i'd be happy to do it. I'm actually quite good at beeing objective, and I know myself good enough to know when I get upset, and when I get upset I usually stay away. (Thats if I have powers I can abuse).

I've always liked MapCore, and it's members, but The Postmans actions (and yours Fletch, since you are kind enough to share the blame, allthough I'm pretty sure The Postman acted alone and just got your confirmation later (which isnt the same thing)) pissed me off to no end because he messed up one of the first threads in the political forums that I (for once) had taken an interest in and was monitoring closely.

If you are going to police mapcore the way you are doing, please do it right and please make sure the other police officers do it to (The Postman). Maybe some sort of reprimand is in order, for me, he has clearly proven that he has no right to the powers he has. And don't pull the Ace card on me here saying that he has more right than me simply because he knows you in person. That's favoritism and just isn't cool. Once you go telling people to fuck off like that alot of people instantly looses respect for you. If they loose respect for you, they'll change forums.

Political threads shouldnt be touched by moderators that are actively involved with the thread. You guys can take turns, whatever, or get a 3rd guy.

I realize this might be too much to ask for though, so I'll volunteer, I'll never post in the thread or get actively involved in any of the content, I'll just sensur away the name calling and hand out warnings. Seeing as I'm just 20 years old and, by now, probably on your hate-list this won't happen, but it was worth a shot.

Great that you made the thread btw, I've been thinking of making it alot lately. On a final note, i'd like to point out that the first thing you say is that you delete posts too, just like The Postman. How does that justify it?

[The Postman]

My suggestions:

1. Forget grammar check completely. One of the polls in this forum showed that two thirds of the forum people are no native english speakers. Go play grammar nazi in a university or high school forum

This won't be gone completely and I am pretty damned lenient most of the time. The only stuff that really gets my goad are people that use leet-speak garbage in what are supposed to be (hopefully) intelligent conversations about serious topics.

2. no arrogant attitude and disrespecting comments against people with a different opinion from the moderators. this lets you look stupid in front of the whole community. discussion on irc showed that most people agree with that.

If you post "lol well i thikn that p3rhapz tehre is a moon good that is making teh muszlims go crazy and there religon is bulshit" I'm going to call you out for being dumb. Again, what Fletch said rings true. If you don't like it go tug on the skirt of your mother or otherwise. They'll care just as much as we do.

3. Telling people when and for what reason their posts are deleted or censored

I do this every single time and that's why I'm the big bad wolf. :roll: I even make nice big notices for people to read the rules about when entering this sub-forums. They are stickied at the top of the forums. Please read them

[DaanO]

To Posty's defence, i have to say that even people that don't speak English as a first language know the difference between 'ppl' and 'people' and that cases like this were the biggest issue.

[The Postman]

What's the point of this whole thread again?

For discussion about the current state of the forums.

Okay, I'll humour the other persons on this forum then;

This whole thing started when The Postman started deleting posts in a rather hot thread. The discussion was far from over, but as I see it, The Postman saw it as over because his arguments were flawed and everyone weren't seeing the world as he did (from my point of view). And he kinda reminded me of my big brother when he run out of arguments and subconsciousnessly (this is my theory) sees this himself.

I deleted posts from a few people who were only posting large pictures that had little to do with the thread other than perhaps they showed angry Muslims. They weren't arguments or conversations. I said my opinion in that thread and only butted heads with people that weren't doing much more than fanning the flames or just posting huge pictures. If you think I was being bratty go read the thread again. :roll:

When that one guy posted using a huge avatar, The Postman could've just gone into his profile and erased the avatar. That approach would've spared him time, actually.

Actually I can't do that. I'm only a moderator, not an admin. Next un-informed bitch-point please?

If there is anything offensive towards other users on the forum, just delete the words, not the post. If the whole post is something offensive, replace the info with "[user1] is out of arguments and lashes out against [user2] with personal attacks!"

Deleting his posts would result in you bitching and a still-fucked-up forums. Come on, use your head.

I've always liked MapCore, and it's members, but The Postmans actions (and yours Fletch, since you are kind enough to share the blame, allthough I'm pretty sure The Postman acted alone and just got your confirmation later (which isnt the same thing)) pissed me off to no end because he messed up one of the first threads in the political forums that I (for once) had taken an interest in and was monitoring closely.

Fletch and I talk about what to do in the forums before acting. If you're still angry, lo siento, it's not going to change.

Political threads shouldnt be touched by moderators that are actively involved with the thread. You guys can take turns, whatever, or get a 3rd guy.

Um, no. I go into damned near every thread and look at what's going on, especially if there's a lot of posting (oddly enough I've made changes, not posted what happened, and no one's noticed). That doesn't change if I'm posting in the thread or if Fletch is posting in the thread or if Mikezilla is posting in the thread. If anyone posts something dumb, flaming, or just plain off topic it'll get the chop.

I realize this might be too much to ask for though, so I'll volunteer, I'll never post in the thread or get actively involved in any of the content, I'll just sensur away the name calling and hand out warnings. Seeing as I'm just 20 years old and, by now, probably on your hate-list this won't happen, but it was worth a shot.

Sorry, not going to happen.

Great that you made the thread btw, I've been thinking of making it alot lately. On a final note, i'd like to point out that the first thing you say is that you delete posts too, just like The Postman. How does that justify it?

Because sometimes posts are off-topic, flaming, or just lots of pictures in a forums that's supposed to be about serious discussion? We make sure that it flows smoothly. Sorry to anyone for deleting your five 800x600+ collection of angry Muslims burning Israeli flags. :roll:

[Steppenwolf]

2. no arrogant attitude and disrespecting comments against people with a different opinion from the moderators. this lets you look stupid in front of the whole community. discussion on irc showed that most people agree with that.

If you post "lol well i thikn that p3rhapz tehre is a moon good that is making teh muszlims go crazy and there religon is bulshit" I'm going to call you out for being dumb. Again, what Fletch said rings true. If you don't like it go tug on the skirt of your mother or otherwise. They'll care just as much as we do.

See you doing it again. Being arrogant. :roll:

You know as good as me that i haven't argued like that in the mohamed carricatures thread. Still you said i was trolling around and posting random pics that have nothing to do with the discussion, just because you had a different opinion then me. I see things like this as personal insult because i have never experienced such a behaviour from a mod in all the years that im on the internet.

I'm a moderator myself in a 5000 people community and i cant imagine to act so arrogant against community members.