TomWithTheWeather Posted February 6, 2006 Report Posted February 6, 2006 I'm not normally fired up or militant about such issues (though I usually do have an opinion), but the more and more I read about it, I think to myself, this shit has got to stop. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/science/04climate.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
Pericolos0 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Posted February 6, 2006 -anti stemm-cell research -bush saying the jury isnt out on evolution and saying intelligent design has a place in schools -gagging a top nasa scientist because of his research and findings on global warming -and now a bush appointed 24 year old creationist at a NASA leading postition claiming the big bang theory is just a matter of opinion Good job voting in the most anti-science administration ever conservative voters!
The Postman Posted February 6, 2006 Report Posted February 6, 2006 But but but, during the State of the Union address he promised us 70,000 more science teachers!* *so he can teach that the world is 6,000 years old and made by God. What a fucking fool. This is seriously one of the worst and most regressive administrations ever.
Kosmo Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 I am truely amazed that I can be amazed day after day how USA has the most ignorant, fundamental leader in the world, and people don't see it. That guy is making the whole country in to a drooling tribe of barbarians.
ginsengavenger Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 These things are shocking but they are really not that surprising. The saddest, saddest fact is that he was actually voted in for another term. That speaks to some deplorable truths about the American people.
von*ferret Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 I voted him in, what deporable truths does that reveal about me?
Kosmo Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 I voted him in, what deporable truths does that reveal about me? Short memory?
rockdude86 Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 These things are shocking but they are really not that surprising. The saddest, saddest fact is that he was actually voted in for another term. That speaks to some deplorable truths about the American people. true... but it does not say that much about the american people, more about how one can be fooled by none objective media etc... these things happen everywhere if you look at our history. bet hitler wouldnt have been in control back then if people new his real agenda. its all about giving people something they want to hear, people eventually open their eyes. most people in america (and the rest of the world) have but dont do shit cause they think they wouldnt make a difference
The Postman Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 I voted him in, what deporable truths does that reveal about me? You keep chiming in whenever someone blames the constituency that brought him in. What are you trying to achieve by this? Not a flame, just honest curiousity. Do you not feel like your vote was a mistake or are you proud of how this administration is disintegrating rights and turning us slowly into a police state?
von*ferret Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 No I'm defending my own personal opinion that I appreciate his presidency and I'm proud of the fact I voted. I'm also here to inform you that not everyone shares your opinion. While your opinion is valid and I appreciate you're so active, I want you to know that not everyone agrees with you. Your opinion is just that, and not a fact. We could argue about it for hours. Though just because you feel that you got the raw end of the deal and Bush was voted back into office, doesn't mean that the majority of Americans are "deplorable." I simply dont appreciate how you assume that I'm either ashamed or blinded by something. Maybe people have other opinions and you should respect that instead of simply putting me in a corner and "pitying" my decision.
TomWithTheWeather Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Posted February 7, 2006 Aside from anyones personal opinions, the Bush Adiministration has, in fact, done some fairly bad things. I'm mean, no administration has been perfect by far, but this one has probably been the worst in recent times.
Kosmo Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 Ferret is right, there is no telling what opinion is right in this matter for the country has pretty much a non-demogratic system, a system of a whole three parties, I would see that even if they chose Al Gore at the first election, things would have been no different. A Problem without an correct answer. BUT, I must say, that when it comes to any president, I judge them not by the arbitrary "descision making skill" but the result of their descision, Bush has made alot of enemies around the world, and alot of people have died in needless wars because of Bush. So I deem him unfit for a leader by default. AGAIN, I must assume that things might have gone differently if there was a different kind of president in charge, since if things were the same under anyone in charge, we would bithc about him too.
Scraps Posted February 8, 2006 Report Posted February 8, 2006 Bush once again shows nepotism trumps experience. Starting with Brown in FEMA and now Deutsch in NASA, these political appointees are simply ridiculous. Granted, while every president is allowed a great deal of political appointees, 24 year olds shouldn't be appointed to positions of this much power, much the same as an Arabian horse judge shouldn't be appointed to the head emergency office in this country. Additionally, this is a major blow against objective science. Big bang theory is the predominant theory- mainly because it's backed up by a ridiculous amount of evidence. We've got the 3 degree kelvin background radiation, the huge amounts of redshift from every object in the universe and we've got particles popping in and out of the residual energy from the big bang. We have no evidence of intelligent design or of anything that would remotely question the big bang theory. Science isn't a democracy. It's a republic. Our theories are elected by scientists who rely on massive amounts of data. The fact that this can be undermind by some pissant barely out of college that can't tell a rocket ship from a crucifix is disgusting.
The Postman Posted February 8, 2006 Report Posted February 8, 2006 No I'm defending my own personal opinion that I appreciate his presidency and I'm proud of the fact I voted. You're appreciative of the deficit spending? You're appreciative of the cuts to social programs that pale in comparison to the massive budget he's proposed for the war while we are in dire need of funding for the areas hit by Katrina? You're appreciative of his backing of "Intelligent Design" that will only seek to either further cripple our public school system or produce a whole lot of very dumb students? You're appreciative of his blatant cronyism that probably cost a lot of hurricane victims their lives? You're appreciative of his administration and all the rampant and blatant corruption they've brought with them? Gadzooks man, I'd hate to see what it would take for you to finally snap and disagree with this man and his administration. I'm glad you voted, Ferret, but even I can realize a mistake after I've made a decision. However, it seems like you're defending this president regardless of any mistake he makes. That just seems inherently dishonest to both yourself and what the Republican party really stands for, or well, stood for. I'm also here to inform you that not everyone shares your opinion. While your opinion is valid and I appreciate you're so active, I want you to know that not everyone agrees with you. Your opinion is just that, and not a fact. Opinions can be backed up by fact though, and the facts of the matter are that this current administration is dealing with a massive backlash due to rampant cronyism, corruption charges, and assaults on our domestic liberties while cutting taxes for the top 1-2% while running a very costly war. We could argue about it for hours. Though just because you feel that you got the raw end of the deal and Bush was voted back into office, doesn't mean that the majority of Americans are "deplorable." Doesn't mean they didn't make an awful mistake for which we're going to be paying the consequences for years and years to come though, either. I simply dont appreciate how you assume that I'm either ashamed or blinded by something. Maybe people have other opinions and you should respect that instead of simply putting me in a corner and "pitying" my decision. I'd personally just like to know where you stand. If you still support this administration and if you still feel good about voting him in. You've answered that. Like I said, it wasn't an attack on you and was merely an honest curiousity so cut the persecution complex. What Scraps said is very true though. Acting like there's some kind of argument here where there really isn't one is a tactic that the Religious Right in all its wisdom likes to use to wedge in a debate. There is an absolute mountain of evidence supporting the Big Bang theory. There is only faith supporting "Intelligent Design." One is science, the other is not. Period.
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