Whats ur opinion about teh iran shit ?

[mawibse]

No worries Kosmo, I'v got the perfect book.

[Urban]

Surely one nation holding more than every other nuclear weapons bearing nation combined doesn't count as balance

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/summary.htm

US Stockpile: 10,640

Russia Stockpile: 16,000

[DaanO]

Check 'deliverable'

[Urban]

I get it.. Stockpiles of nukes don't count...

[DaanO]

They're not as significant, they do count.

[Kosmo]

I get it.. Stockpiles of nukes don't count...

After six thousand nuclear weapons hit your country... they don't count.

But interesting numbers none the less, this begs for a question, why doesn't USA do something about Russia's nuclear arsenal? How is Russia so safe and sound? What guarantees that they don't use them in any point?

Afterall, they are at war right now.

I want to ask to all who really oppose Iran having nuclear weapons, why is it so different for them to have nuclear arsenal from USA or Pakistan? Is the matter more on that no one should have nuclear weapons or just Iran?

Example, the rumor says that one of Osamas hiding places might be in the border of Pakistan, Pakistan has nuclear weapons, they openly accused India for funding the Afghan drug lords that arm militant tribes in Pakistan, so how are they so much better than Iran? Is it because Pakistans main target is India and not Israel or USA, is that it? We don't care about that because they aren't a threat to USA or their lapdog Israel?

[kleinluka]

like I already said about five million times in this thread. The irani government openly threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. That's enough reasoning to me.

[von*ferret]

But interesting numbers none the less, this begs for a question, why doesn't USA do something about Russia's nuclear arsenal? How is Russia so safe and sound? What guarantees that they don't use them in any point?

anti proliferation treaty's? I'mpretty sure we've been tryign to clean up both of our missiles. And when a country openly states that there was no holocaust and that Israel needs to be wiped off the map, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want them playing with large toys.

[Kosmo]

And when a country openly states that there was no holocaust and that Israel needs to be wiped off the map, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want them playing with large toys.

And when a country goes in to a war to hunt a handful of people and to usher their laws on other countries, rather peaceful countries I might add, you would give them a bundle of toys large and small?

like I already said about five million times in this thread. The irani government openly threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. That's enough reasoning to me.

Same as above.

[⌐■_■]

You call HAMAS and his followers 'rather peacefull'?

hah

'I might add' that Israel is a rather peacefull country. Why?

In Israel, people of all religions can live together, and are allowed to interact and live in peace. An arab can come to Israel any time and find work, a place to live. An Israeli isn't even allowed to go into Egypt. Why? Because he/she is supposed to be a Jew.

In Israel, arab children can come to the hospital for medical treatment, get all sorts of help. For free! Israel has been attacked several times in it's short existance, yet has only used their superiroir military power to defend their own borders! Yes, Israel has nukes, but how can you say that's unjustified when all four nabouring countries have showed hostility in the past century? When Presidents (!) are saying they want to drown the entire nation in their own blood?

This all is just so incredibly unjust, it makes me wan't to smash a table...

[Kosmo]

You call HAMAS and his followers 'rather peacefull'?

Well I didn't say anything about Hamas

I was speaking of USA campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq, both countries that didn't have open war against other country, I know there were and still are militant tribes in Afghanistan and Taliban is no nice organization, but you can look in any country in that area and find some sort of militant organization or tribe.

And I know your views on how peaceful and idyllic you think Israeli people are so we don't have to go there.

[mawibse]

, yet has only used their superiroir military power to defend their own borders!

1956: Israel with help of French and British forces attacked Egypt.

1967: Israel attacks Syria, Jordan and Egypt.

1981: Israel bombs a nuclear reactor in Baghdad.

1982: Israel invades Lebanon.

And I'm not going to mention all the later "skirmishes" where Israel forces goes into Lebanon and such to find opposition.

All these can off course be said to be done in self defense, just as USA's current occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq are self defense.

But then, how can you tell if not all attacks is "pre emptive attacks" and in self defense?

Yes, Israel has nukes, but how can you say that's unjustified when all four nabouring countries have showed hostility in the past century?

If you judge how justified to have nukes a country is by if neighboring countries shows any hostility then...

This all is just so incredibly unjust, it makes me want to smash a table...

Or perhaps nuke a country? We should give killertomato a nuke as well Kosmo, for balance sakes don't you think?

I was speaking of USA campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq, both countries that didn't have open war against other country

Yes of all countries in the world I think Afghanistan and Iraq being referred to as "rather peaceful countries" is dead on. Like ketchup in coffee and hot dog with mustard gas.

[Urban]

Mmmmm.. mustard gas *drool*

[⌐■_■]

And I know your views on how peaceful and idyllic you think Israeli people are so we don't have to go there.

It's the anti-Israeli tendency what bothers me, I have no illusions on how Israeli people are better then the rest. Since I have visited Israel several times, I can say in all honesty that Israeli's are a peacefull nation.

Don't try to belittle the people who you are discussing with.

1956: Israel with help of French and British forces attacked Egypt.

1967: Israel attacks Syria, Jordan and Egypt.

1981: Israel bombs a nuclear reactor in Baghdad.

1982: Israel invades Lebanon.

1956

In 1955, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser began to import arms from the Soviet Bloc to build his arsenal for the confrontation with Israel. In the short-term, however, he employed a new tactic to prosecute Egypt's war with Israel. He announced it on August 31, 1955:

Egypt has decided to dispatch her heroes, the disciples of Pharaoh and the sons of Islam and they will cleanse the land of Palestine....There will be no peace on Israel's border because we demand vengeance, and vengeance is Israel's death.

These "heroes" were Arab terrorists, or fedayeen, trained and equipped by Egyptian Intelligence to engage in hostile action on the border and infiltrate Israel to commit acts of sabotage and murder. The fedayeen operated mainly from bases in Jordan, so that Jordan would bear the brunt of Israel's retaliation, which inevitably followed. The terrorist attacks violated the armistice agreement provision that prohibited the initiation of hostilities by paramilitary forces; nevertheless, it was Israel that was condemned by the UN Security Council for its counterattacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Suez_War

1967

Arabs massed to attack, Israel attack was preemptive and saved the lives of millions of innoncent men, children and women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

1981

Bagdhad had said they would use a nuclear bomb against Israel. This was pure self-defense. Rather blaim France for giving them a reactor!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights

1982

PLO was firing rockets to Israel from lebannon. The PLO was a terrorist organisation, and was attacking Israeli civilians. You say this attack was unjustified.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War

What really bothers me mabise, is how you try to manipulate facts to make your point. That, dear sir, is just unethical and very annoying.

Next time, try to be a little more subtle while trying to deform the truth. Thx.

[st0lve]

Now show us proof; Like a WIKI or some webpage. Sources are important for such "facts" (both Mawibse and KT).