The faces of Muhammad

[kleinluka]

Those fucking islamo fascists pissing me off. We are no muslims and we dont life in their countrys so we are allowed to draw as many pics of muhammad as we want. They should accept that.

how about some arab paper cartoons?

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm

QFT

[Skjalg]

RD, respect is the problem, the western artists don't respect Islam, the Muslims don't respect laws.

They probably respect islam as a religion, but the whole thing about using muhammed in drawings was probably to point out the fact that they were using their religion for a war, which in turn shows that all they ment was that they dont respect Islam (yes, their own religion).

I agree with you 100% that freedom of speech is very important. But Denmark, Holland and many other European countries decided to take in people from all religions and all cultures, where is their tolerance? Or don't Muslims count as people?

We decided to take them in, yes.. But does that mean we gotta follow their rules? wheres their tolerance?

I would say, that at this time and age, you would be wise to stay off of religious parody. Just a hint, since crazy fuckers are aiming missiles at each others, and I'm not just talking about USA/Europe vs. Middle-East situation, things aren't so great on the Pakistan-India axel either, not to mention Israel situation.

Just think of what you said here, journalists should be afraid to put their opinions in the newspapers? WW2 anyone? You act like you just want to dig a hole and hide from everything.

[Kosmo]

I would say, that at this time and age, you would be wise to stay off of religious parody. Just a hint, since crazy fuckers are aiming missiles at each others, and I'm not just talking about USA/Europe vs. Middle-East situation, things aren't so great on the Pakistan-India axel either, not to mention Israel situation.

If you dont confront it, and keep apologizing just because your tired of their shit, youll never get it over with.

Anyways, now also the germans, french, dutch, spanish and italian papers have republished the cartoons and added a new one:

The front page of the daily France Soir on Wednesday carried the headline "Yes, We Have the Right to Caricature God" and a cartoon of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud. Inside, the paper reran the drawings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm

Theyre being owned by freedom

I don't mean that we should apologize or live by their rules, everybody are going to some stupid extremes. How does "respect your fellow man" suddenly turn in to "live by their rules"?

I actually like the god idea, but it's very different, Muslims were angry because some racist bitch make every Muslim look like a terrorist, he drew a picture that portrayed the whole Islam as a religion of terror and violence. I happen to know a Muslim, and he is an intelligent pacifist, he doesn't accept any of the things Muslims pull "in the name of Allah" but he didn't like the religious satire either.

RD, respect is the problem, the western artists don't respect Islam, the Muslims don't respect laws.

They probably respect islam as a religion, but the whole thing about using muhammed in drawings was probably to point out the fact that they were using their religion for a war, which in turn shows that all they ment was that they dont respect Islam (yes, their own religion).

And you state this as a fact?

I agree with you 100% that freedom of speech is very important. But Denmark, Holland and many other European countries decided to take in people from all religions and all cultures, where is their tolerance? Or don't Muslims count as people?

We decided to take them in, yes.. But does that mean we gotta follow their rules? wheres their tolerance?

Again, how does respecting their religion and culture turns in to "following their rules", soon you will be telling me that "I'm either with you or against you".

Weird extremes.

I would say, that at this time and age, you would be wise to stay off of religious parody. Just a hint, since crazy fuckers are aiming missiles at each others, and I'm not just talking about USA/Europe vs. Middle-East situation, things aren't so great on the Pakistan-India axel either, not to mention Israel situation.

Just think of what you said here, journalists should be afraid to put their opinions in the newspapers? WW2 anyone? You act like you just want to dig a hole and hide from everything.

I'm not saying they shouldn't put their opinions in to newspapers, I just would like them to consider if it is so smart to mock other religions just to sell papers.

The Paris riots started from nothing, so the religious tension is very very high, anything can set the flames.

[kleinluka]

My last gf was a muslim and she was a totally normal person (as much as that's possible with women anyway)...

The drawings were indeed disrespectful towards Islam and muslim people but if you take a look at what kind of shit is going through the papers in the middle east and what kind of hatred and flag and jesus-cross burning is going on over there I really don't think they have a right to bitch about this anymore than we do. Just look at the link Steppenwolf posted... Says it all really.

[Kosmo]

I find it funny how people are like "Muslims are crazy, they pronounce jihad for almost nothing and threaten our lifes and noise like that".

We (Europe, USA and friends) are currently having troops in their countries, and there is no insurance if it will end before every single country in the Middle-east is under our rule (by puppet goverments), the threat of the nuclear nation allstars attacking some country is real in Middle-east, it's a genuine threat.

And people are wondering why they are pissed at us?

[Zacker]

Our apologies

Our apologies for giving you shelter and help

Our apologies for giving you an education

Our apologies for helping you economically

Our apologies for that you believe in the god you want in our christian land

Our apologies for that we send help to your countries

Our apologies for that we do not require bloodrevenge for the murders comitted on our fellowmen

Our apologies for that we don't run around with explosives when we feel aggrieved

Our apologies for not just doing as your faith wants

But an apology for having spoken up in our own country and after our own laws - that you will never get

[JAL]

This is only my atheistic opinion but why would someone get pissed off, when a person makes fun of an imaginary person like Mohammed or Jesus? Geez this religion stuff, has anything good ever come out of it?

Fanaticism is bad.

[Skjalg]

RD, respect is the problem, the western artists don't respect Islam, the Muslims don't respect laws.

They probably respect islam as a religion, but the whole thing about using muhammed in drawings was probably to point out the fact that they were using their religion for a war, which in turn shows that all they ment was that they dont respect Islam (yes, their own religion).

And you state this as a fact?

I said probably.

I agree with you 100% that freedom of speech is very important. But Denmark, Holland and many other European countries decided to take in people from all religions and all cultures, where is their tolerance? Or don't Muslims count as people?

We decided to take them in, yes.. But does that mean we gotta follow their rules? wheres their tolerance?

Again, how does respecting their religion and culture turns in to "following their rules", soon you will be telling me that "I'm either with you or against you".

Weird extremes.

If you didnt know, this whole thing started because according to islam, its Illegal to draw Muhammed. Apperantly we broke a law, and should be punished for it.

And yes, either you're actually sympathizing with the crossburning hypocrits or you're not The time where the whole world might have to choose sides might come because of this.

[zpanzer]

another thing is that "they" wont understand how the danish country works, we have a democrati, and the freedom of speach.

"They" whant our "president" to give a apologi, its not something he can do couse i cant effect the content newspappers publish, but "they" wont understand that, now "they" whant a apologie from the Queen, she has nothing to do with it, and "they" wont understand that either, the newspapper jyllandposten have given the apologie.

i think its kind lame.

[st0lve]

Just because your in theory allowed to say, draw, paint etc. anything you want, doesn't mean its ok for others. I wouldn't do shit if I think its ok, but I know that so many people will be pissed off, cause its a word called "respect".

We broke one of the Islams most important rules by publishing those pictures.

And we all know how the Muslims and Islamic people react when someone goes up agaist their belives, even I, who haven't been interessted in politics for more than a year knows that burning flags, threats and suchs is a "common" thing in the middle east.

Those drawings insulted millions of Muslims all over the world, as for now, the Swedes are the only smart people left in Scandinavia, cause they had enough knowlegde in their head NOT to print those pictures just because their allowed to do it.

I'm ashamed to be Norwegian these days.

[RD]

And we all know how the Muslims and Islamic people react when someone goes up agaist their belives, even I, who haven't been interessted in politics for more than a year knows that burning flags, threats and suchs is a "common" thing in the middle east.

Its ok for them to make toons about us, burn our flags and stuff, but we cant make a toon about them? Kinda hypocrite isnt it.

You keep saying we broke their most holy rule, but there is no rule in their books that forbids us anything. Its written for muslims, their rules dont apply to infidels.

Btw, a ME paper has also published the toons now, saying muslims should be reasonable, not hypocrite. Congratulations Jordan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4673908.stm

[The Postman]

Our apologies

Our apologies for giving you shelter and help

Our apologies for giving you an education

Our apologies for helping you economically

Our apologies for that you believe in the god you want in our christian land

Our apologies for that we send help to your countries

Our apologies for that we do not require bloodrevenge for the murders comitted on our fellowmen

Our apologies for that we don't run around with explosives when we feel aggrieved

Our apologies for not just doing as your faith wants

But an apology for having spoken up in our own country and after our own laws - that you will never get

My apologies to you for confronting fanatacism with your very own brand of it.

[st0lve]

On that page RD:

Freedom of speech has its limits when it concerns others...How would it feel if Jesus Christ was the one insulted instead?

RD, its not ok, but you know how they are. They don't have the same culture as us, but since we are so god damn "perfect" we should be able to raise above them and press our big "IGNORE" button.

[RD]

On that page RD:

Freedom of speech has its limits when it concerns others...How would it feel if Jesus Christ was the one insulted instead?

Thats in the comments section where all ppl can comment. Besides, you already know how we all feel when jesus is blasphemized in the middle east. It happens daily, nobody is bothered by it.

RD, its not ok

Exactly.

[Steppenwolf]

Stolve these carricatures are satire. This is part of OUR culture and freedom of speech. There shouldn't be much taboos in satire. And honestly i have never seen good satire that was respectful against the people who are carricatured!

I don't give a fuck about some radical muslims who want to change my behaviour and our culture. It's not our fault that they have a silly law in their close minded religion that forbids them to draw mohamad.

I could count millions of things in the world that are worse then drawing a prophet from a different religion from a objective point of view.