The beginning of the end for 35mm?

[ook]

film has archival propertys that digital doesnt, i mean sure you can back up on hd after hd, but a harddrive isnt celluloid. i cant see 35mm going the way of the dodo

i'm confused... you're saying digital has worse archival properties than celuloid? digital = forever. celuloid = gets yellow and some colors start to fade after 20-30 years. film has much worse archival properties than digital.

- ook

[ginsengavenger]

tell that to somebody who's lost two years of photographs to a hard drive crash... hardware is not forever. The beauty of digital content is its easy and lossless duplication but the media it resides upon is so fragile and transient. It takes a responsible person to mind and maintain their digital media.

[jfas]

the photographs become yellow if they arnt processed correctly, or if the technology wasnt quite up to par (like 70s color photos) but the actual film stays around in great condition for a long long time, and you can reprint with them, where as digital is just a file, just 1's and 0's that isnt anything actually tangible

[DaanO]

The negatives (or whatever they're called in english, the actual film) of all the photos my mother took during her life are still in great condition. Even from her childhood.

[ook]

The negatives (or whatever they're called in english, the actual film) of all the photos my mother took during her life are still in great condition. Even from her childhood.

I guess everyone has different experiences with old film. I'm currently in the process of scanning and color correcting hundreds of my parents old pictures so they won't just derteriorate in the box. Especially the ones of my parent's parents.

Digital is the way to go for long term storage because it's lossless assuming you take care of your media and make regular backups.

Don't get me wrong, I love the analog look of film, but I don't think it's fair to say it keeps better than digital.

- ook

[DaanO]

I'm not saying it's better, but that both have their qualities.

[DD]

the photographs become yellow if they arnt processed correctly, or if the technology wasnt quite up to par (like 70s color photos) but the actual film stays around in great condition for a long long time, and you can reprint with them, where as digital is just a file, just 1's and 0's that isnt anything actually tangible

Modern film and prints can be processed incorrectly, a few minutes off in a certain chemical (fixer?) can mean destroyed work. 1's and 0's are equally tangible as a roll of film IMO. I'm guessing you're the kind of person who would prefer a piece of cake rather than enough money for an entire cake? You can argue up and down for both sides, just I'm willing to bet most people with experience in both prefer the digital route. Enough to validate the decision to stop making 35mm cameras

[jfas]

No, i do not thing a piece of cake is better than money for an entire cake, i think thats a good metaphor, but i dont agree. I simply do not think digital storage is even on par with film, and I dont dislike digital photography, but keeping a harddrive for a hundred years is not the same as keeping film negatives. There are film negatives like ook was saying that he gets to see from his grandparents, he can print those today. Digital is a brand new technology, do you really think harddrives or computers or anything that could possible store those digital pictures will be the same in a hundred years so that you can easily print those? Now there are ways to put digital pictures onto film, that I think is sweet. As for ruining film, ya its a tricky business, thats why I started a whole thread in with glee when I processed my own film for the first time, and DIDNT fuck up, i was proud of myself because 80% of everyone else doing it for the first time screwed their's up. But theres a reason you learn and master the techniques. So, film is tangible, you can hold it in your hand, you can put it in a box and ook can see it 2 generations later. 1's and 0's are not, im sure people will take AMAZING care of their harddrives...but one magnet later and its a paperweight.

[kleinluka]

im not gonna be able to print pictures in hundreds of years anyway....

but yea i get your point and i agree...

its the same logic as with postcards and emails. a photo on film is more personal than a digital photograph.

Or like, a postcard from a friend from tibet is more personal and warm than an email from him.

same thing with photos IMO

[jfas]

well, its not even about you, its about archives, ook's grandparents cant print the pictures, but he can, thats good history.

[ginsengavenger]

For me the switch to digital was a matter of expense and convenience but I'm truly saddened that I don't have durable prints of my best photos anymore. I have a crate of photos that I took during my late teens and they are more valuable to me than almost anything.

[Bic-B@ll]

you can get upskirt pictures on the internet gins

[ginsengavenger]

no way, where?!

[ook]

No, i do not thing a piece of cake is better than money for an entire cake, i think thats a good metaphor, but i dont agree. I simply do not think digital storage is even on par with film, and I dont dislike digital photography, but keeping a harddrive for a hundred years is not the same as keeping film negatives. There are film negatives like ook was saying that he gets to see from his grandparents, he can print those today. Digital is a brand new technology, do you really think harddrives or computers or anything that could possible store those digital pictures will be the same in a hundred years so that you can easily print those? Now there are ways to put digital pictures onto film, that I think is sweet. As for ruining film, ya its a tricky business, thats why I started a whole thread in with glee when I processed my own film for the first time, and DIDNT fuck up, i was proud of myself because 80% of everyone else doing it for the first time screwed their's up. But theres a reason you learn and master the techniques. So, film is tangible, you can hold it in your hand, you can put it in a box and ook can see it 2 generations later. 1's and 0's are not, im sure people will take AMAZING care of their harddrives...but one magnet later and its a paperweight.

"I'm sure people will take AMAZING care of their negatives but if you take one match later and they're ashes."

Sorry but I think your line of logic is not correct. Digital media will evolve and I will take my pictures with me and hand them down to my children just like my grandparents did. Except mine will be on a server with many reduntant backups instead of rotting in a carboard box and they will look just as good (or bad!) then as they do now.

- ook

[kleinluka]

You all know that you can PRINT digital photos right? Everybody is happy