Paris riot Jihad

[Lurker]

The real irony is that nothing will change because of this, both sides will still maintain that the other side is completely in the wrong without looking at their own faults. The blame falls squarely and evenly on both sides, it's a shame no one will admit it.

[RD]

Want to argue? Get some insight.

I was talking about Holland, do you actually read what i write?

Anyway, back to france, im not denying theyve been treated badly. They want revenge, some insight from me

[Pericolos0]

The real irony is that nothing will change because of this, both sides will still maintain that the other side is completely in the wrong without looking at their own faults. The blame falls squarely and evenly on both sides, it's a shame no one will admit it.

one thing is going to change... more votes for le penn

[RD]

Peris how is Brussels holding up with the rising riots nearby?

[Pericolos0]

didnt hear anything about that, i was in ur peaceful town all day

EDIT: ive been reading up some news, apparently no riots, but theres growing tension. Some individuals have burned down some cars i think but no real riots happened. Brussels is preparing itself for it though, more cops and more alertness... its getting afwullfy close

[Lurker]

Want to argue? Get some insight.

I was talking about Holland, do you actually read what i write?

Anyway, back to france, im not denying theyve been treated badly. They want revenge, some insight from me

Look at the context of my messages, anything that deals with you is in the proper context.

I wasn't talking about the treatment of immigrants in Holland or France individually, I was talking about the treatment of immigrants in general. Again, the difference between France and Holland in this situation is that the immigrants in France are fighting back now, that doesn't make the situation in Holland any worse or any better. The treatment of immigrants to a country is extremely universal, what applies to one country likely applies to another country, especially one that neighbours it.

[RD]

Look at the context of my messages, anything that deals with you is in the proper context.

I wasn't talking about the treatment of immigrants in Holland or France individually, I was talking about the treatment of immigrants in general. Again, the difference between France and Holland in this situation is that the immigrants in France are fighting back now, that doesn't make the situation in Holland any worse or any better. The treatment of immigrants to a country is extremely universal, what applies to one country likely applies to another country, especially one that neighbours it.

No, the situation of immigrants in France and Holland isnt the same.

Holland is known around the world for being the capital of tolerance (even tho it might not be true, we are known for it :wink: ). We are the capital of gays, prostitution, softdrugs and professional blasphemy , can say whatever just because we have the freedom to do so and its worked fine up untill now.

Islam doesnt tolerate these things. They have no use for our tolerance of alternative lifestyles. What do you think they preach about gays, drugs, prostitution and blasphemy in their mosques? What do you think their thoughts on these things are? Basically they (and this is the youth that grew up here) disgust our values. This is what the problem is about in Holland. The countries where there are no serious problems with this culture, that think its all our fault, are countries where nobody speaks up in public about Muhammed or makes movies about a woman beaten by her islamic husband.

We just dont allow these groups to be intolerant, they feel its racist or anti islam. If thered be riots here, it would be dutch people rioting against intolerance. Having your most famous dutch guy beheaded (because of a movie about Islam) and your future gay prime minister assassinated is a shock of truth that not everybody in Holland can handle our tolerance. Sure, 99,99% isnt violent, but its their values which allows extremism to grow between them, its our tolerance which allows them to publicly call for someones death, and its a tiny group that follows it up with action. It might seem like racism to do something about it, but its actually not.

From my experience, all the countries nearby are just about as tolerant, including France. I guess we euros have a diffrent picture of the problem in France because weve all had similar experiences. Its like a tradition to always blame yourself when integration fails. I think just about every country around here blaimed itself for the failed integration of muslims. France now is being blamed for being racist and islamophobic, while my experience is that a big part of the problem is coming from their religion and how to raise their kids in a confusing non islamic country. Islam can never be used as basis for being tolerant to prostitution, gays, softdrugs, blaphemy and a dozen other things. Letting these groups grow like rabbits in strictly islamic gettos, schools and shops is asking for problems. The only ppl that adapt are ppl that dont take religion so seriously (which is basically all immigrants that grew up in an islamic country and not in the confusing tolerance of europe), ppl that are willing to close an eye, and they arent considered real muslims that become scholars in mosques.

[Lurker]

To say it's a tradition to blame oneself for the actions of others is a gross hyperbole.

[jfas]

Except that what RD said is basically true, even in the United States, people ARE arguing that the western culture is to blame for not being "tolerant" enough with this group, and while I do not think that is actually true, if you read his post, that is the point. States are saying "well what do we need to do to make these radicals not hate us" but the thing is there is nothing, because they are radicals. I happen to agree very much with RD's post, and really to say its "a gross hyperbole" is quite ironic.

[Lurker]

Except that what RD said is basically true, even in the United States, people ARE arguing that the western culture is to blame for not being "tolerant" enough with this group, and while I do not think that is actually true, if you read his post, that is the point. States are saying "well what do we need to do to make these radicals not hate us" but the thing is there is nothing, because they are radicals. I happen to agree very much with RD's post, and really to say its "a gross hyperbole" is quite ironic.

I did not call his whole post a hyperbole....

[RD]

I thought very carefully about the word tradition and there isnt a word in the dictionary that can describe it better. Being responsible for guests in your country is a tradition older than the secret son of jesus and mary magdalena, even in afghanistan. Remember when the taliban refused to hand out Osama after 911, it was because of an old tradition to take care of guests you are responsible for (they said, but ofcourse it was just because they were terrorists).

[⌐■_■]

...but I am way too educated and smart not to jump in easy conclusions that the goverment and every not like me is the reason for everything that has gone down.

No you aren't.

I win.

[Kosmo]

...but I am way too educated and smart not to jump in easy conclusions that the goverment and every not like me is the reason for everything that has gone down.

No you aren't.

I win.

Ah ye mighty forum Troll, tis' shivers me in me trunks.

But thanks for that insightful input.

[Minos]

Chaos! <3

Do you want better way to show the world how unsatisfied with your situation than doing what they are doing ? One cool thing about these riots is that there are no leaders calling for revolution or something, these guys are just attacking back their oppresors.

[Kosmo]

Yes, but it becomes very dangerous if some strong and charismatic person becomes some sort of leader or rather a pointer for the angry mob, a mob without purpose is just plain anarchy, a mob with a purpose and leader is an army.