Is torture ok?

[RD]

Since the thread is alive again, have you guys heard about the secret american torture flights around Europe? They even landed a few miles from here, shocking.

[Kosmo]

The CIA planes? Hear that CIA has had flights over several countries airspace without permission, but I didn't hear anything about any torture flights.

[RD]

Theyre not tortured on the flights (just forced to swallow z pills and wear diapers), but the illegally kidnapped foreigners are transported to countries like Syria, Egypt or Morocco where they can and have been tortured freely.

[Kosmo]

Oh.

Well, I have been wondering, what happens in international waters. I bet there are some crazy shit going down there too.

[insta]

Oh.

Well, I have been wondering, what happens in international waters. I bet there are some crazy shit going down there too.

Yeah. Wonder if Google Earth has high-res photos

[Kosmo]

Oh.

Well, I have been wondering, what happens in international waters. I bet there are some crazy shit going down there too.

Yeah. Wonder if Google Earth has high-res photos

You do good job contributing to the thread. A real insight.

[RD]

Condoleeza denied there were any such flights, but ofcourse you cant fool us. Ive seen pictures of the thing landing here. Basically the CIA can abduct anybody from any country and make em disappear. What do you guys think about it in the US Kosmo?

[DaanO]

I think it's funny how she said the US doesn't approve torturing, but they tried to pass a law that allowed limited torturing a few months ago.

[Lurker]

Here's what doesn't make sense: if these countries aren't doing anything illegal in the way of torture, why transfer them to the countries in the first place? By this logic, the US should just do the interrogating themselves.

Condi may act the fool, but most people can see better.

[Kosmo]

Well, I think that it is fool to think that only US is doing this sort of things. I saw a document around year back in a movie festival that was about Russian prisoners in maximum security siperian prison compounds. And the living conditions were just straight out inhumane, the prisoners had zero contact to anything outside, most parts the public was unaware that there were such prisons and that there were prisoners there.

It was gruesome.

And what about Kosovo, that is not a pretty place either. And the same goes for Palestina, Israel conflict, neither of those sides give a flying fuck about each other, some human rights laws or any other agreements made since WW2.

It wasn't that long ago, when Turkey tortured it's prisoners (I'm thinking of 80s but it might have been even somewhere in the 90s also when they stopped it).

[Lurker]

- The fact that others are doing it doesn't matter it any more or less correct or wrong for the US to be involved in. God knows what the fuck goes on in those secret prisons in Eastern Europe.

- The US is signed to various treaties and agreements for the upholding of human rights globally ie. the Geneva Convention/Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

- The US is using human rights as a reason they attacked Iraq for. Not only this, but the US government continued to support Saddam even after these abuses happened, until he put his troops on the Kuwaiti border.

It's funny that human rights abuses only matter to the US governments when it supports or furthers their policy. Sudan? Most citizens couldn't even point it out on a map, let alone know there is a genocide taking place there right now.

I want to know what happened to the US policing the world, not bullying it. I want to know where the US drew the line, and said "Fuck you, we'll do like we please." I remember a time when the US was a beacon of hope, a shining example of democracy done right and freedoms kept and exercised. Hah, so much for utopia. Not only have these things been lost and its reputation tarnished time and time again, the US is a nation with no shortage of apologists who will support their government to no end, no matter how bad it gets and no matter who they fuck over in the process.

There are plenty of great, good-hearted people in the US. There are just too many who don't give a fuck.

[RD]

In this case Kosmo, the problem is that the US is world police and european countries would be cooperating with the torture. We dont torture or send ppl to places where ppl are tortured, or at least we claim so.

The rest of the world knows a country that does stuff like that shouldnt be world police.

[The Postman]

It all comes from a long-standing Puritanical reasoning of "Do as I say, not as I do."

[Lurker]

They say one thing, but their policies dictate a totally different reality. And the American public continues to swallow the bullshit whole. Shame, really.

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