Dumb Design vs Intelligent design

[Kosmo]

I would also point out the details of your idiocy, but you really don't come out as an idiot, just misinformed.

[kleinluka]

Careful with the name-calling. We don't want this thread locked, do we?

Keep it civil.

[Kosmo]

Indipendent view of thinking is good, but when the indipendent view of thinking thwarts the success of a mass, then the indipendent view of thinking is just an act of indipendent stupidity.

Independent is spelt independent. You might have learned that if you were. You would be suprised how the thoughts of a single person will rule a crowd who is afraid to think independently justifying it as a mass. Nazi Germany. Also if English is not your first language I apologize.

While I agree that mass that is afraid to think for itself it is open to outside control.

But working with others for common goal and thinking about others instead of just working for yourself is far from "being too afraid to think independently."

And no, English is not my native language, sometimes I write words wrong out of habit even if I know how they are really written.

Correction to your obvious gap in knowledge, Soviet Union fell apart because the people who ran the country were all bunch of selfish assholes who didn't act like communists, or even socialists, but prime examples of selfish capitalists with a power of a country behind them, they were like bad CEOs using the company resources for stupid R&D.

Yes they were selfish assholes, but pretended to be selfless. It's much easier to be selfish if you're morale and honest.

And by this you condemn all communist societies? Look how is now being too afraid to face the truth and is being controlled by american propaganda machine from the cold war era.

The same shit for 230 years and it surely shows, your goverment is still in the fucking trees, eating bananas and using a stick to dig for ants.

Yes, because having goverments that fall to the same mistakes that never last is much better.

You might want to try to explain that "goverment that falls to the same mistakes" part, as I don't really see that happening in Europe.

Europeans use the word "we" because WE search for common good, and not I to search for personal gain and wealth, which seems to be the biggest problem in the states, even in personal level. Remember "I" does not share but "we" gives.

Remember that "common good" is very personal. It common to all want power and wealth, but I want it, by trying to share it forcefully you get a communist government. I don't want to share my wealth with shitty unmotivated people. What reasoning is it that demands I share my wealth with people who don't have it? I work hard for the money. It is mine and mine to claim, and fuck all who dare try to claim it.

Correction, in Europe we don't necessarily work towards wealth and success by the expense of others, but we all have equal chance for it. Our common good means that we all have equal right for education, the social security backs us up, most parts of Europe works through this rules, every man is created equal, unlike USA that has severe problems in that area.

You are just an elitist who doesn't know any better, who is misinformed and too shorsighted to see anything differently. What if your momma and poppa didn't have money to get you proper education? In Europe that wouldn't have been anykind of problem, and in Scandinavia you'd still get the highest education, regardless of your wealth. What if you didn't get a job with your education because the job market sucks? Well, in Europe you'd be still able to live, and have a good healthcare. Sick? Again, not a problem.

Your whole society is based on opressing some group of people, first it was the slaves, now it is other minorities and immigrants. And you my friend, are a prime example of an ignorant human being, who thinks that all he has achieved in his life is just natural and that you don't have anything to give back to the society, you infact, are destroying your very own country you so much love.

Common good, is for the people.

[RD]

I gotta say you dont know much about each others countries. It cant be true that you have to pay for education, that you dont get money to live from if you cant find work or are too sick, and if you are sick, the state doesnt pay the treatment. What kinda 16th century society would do that? It is an oxymoron, when your parents need money to give you a fair chance in life. It isnt fair, but i guess evrybody that doesnt make it are just lazy losers that didnt try hard enough.

[Kosmo]

Higher levels of school are very expensive in the states, college and university can cost 15,000 to 40,000 per year and even more for graduate student.

Without an insurance or company healthcare plan the bills are left for you to pay. So don't you dare to get sick.

Basically they take as good care of you as a 16th century society did.

[RD]

what about primary school?

[Kosmo]

Well, I don't believe that they have to pay for those in general, since everybody has to be able to read to function properly in society. But I guess there is no exception, there must be some "better" private schools there too that you have to pay for. But in general, I think it's free.

[mawibse]

16th century society eh, with slave's n all, cool...

Not so intelligently designed for being a believer in it:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/10/religi ... index.html

*bhusted by da gramma' pooolice fo horrificolicious abbreviation of da wôrd "and"*

[Kosmo]

Over religious people are fucking crazy.

[The Postman]

GGRRAARR PAT ROBERTSON SMAAAAAAASH

Love how apparently we elected God out of a city. Didn't know you could do that. We don't have that ballot box on our voting slips here.

[Fletch]

Pat Robertson is just a warm tedy bear of compassion

[The Postman]

Pat Robertson is just a warm tedy bear of compassion

With innards as black and foul as a diseased and dying leper.

[D3ads]

I swear some of you have too much time on your hands..

This thread has given me a headache and I still don't know what it was orignally about...

[Kosmo]

No

THIS guy has way too much free time on his hands. Talking about being useful part of the society and all.

[Pericolos0]

that was made by loads of people on somethingawful, everyone had to make a 30*30 gif with about 20 frames or so in such a way they all fit together