Bush: Schools Should Teach 'Intelligent Design'

[DanielAragon]

i think that if religion is taught in school, it should be a choice...

they would teach you the basics of religion and you should be able to choose to learn the ways of them, or just to simply know of them.

either way, its not like they can change your beliefs.

[JynxDaddy]

How do you have a choice if you are only taught one?

[DaanO]

If someone can direct a question to Bush, I got one: "You are an idiot", thank you.

Now, I'm fine with fundamental christian teachings in school, but like Peris said, it hould happen in the religion class, not in science. And my opinions about the so called "intelligent design" is that it is brainwash propaganda, created to be easy to believe just like all the christian bullhonkey. And I think that if games can influence children to kill, I'm pretty sure that this kind of lies affect people like brainwashing does.

If they accept all the other creation stories to the religion class I'm sure that there is no problem there then, but my firm believe is that religion study should be objective, and best if they were completely removed from schools.

Since I don't think that there is any objective teaching about religion.

Besides, what is the point in confusing students with two kind of opposite teachings? First you teach them about evolution and give them the proofs scientists have gathered, and then you say "but intelligent design says it is impossible".

Bush is just a complete retard and should not be making these kind of decisions since he is infact a fundamental christian and thusly does not have and objective view of the matter.

Whoa, whoa, whoa there? I think it's a great idea to confuse students to a certain degree. It forces them to think about those theories themselves instead of being like "uhhh, ok"

Also, Mike, there's a huge difference between teaching something in school and teaching something in Church. We are forcing children to go to school and church, well, it's a choice. (For most people it is at least) Schools are related to the government, churches aren't. (Even though, to me, science is very close to a religion but i've had a way too long discussion about that 2 weeks ago already). I'd say teach scientific theories in schools because those prepare students best for our society, but tell them about the other theories in religion class, do not ignore them.

[Kosmo]

I'm all out about teaching religion in high-schools, pull all the crap you can for all I care. Students in high-school usually are critical enough and can think for themselfs not to fall for easy listening and safe answers.

But what do I think about lying to mere children who are under 10-years old?

I think it is a human rights violation right there, small kids are not capable of questioning these kind of things, and they only should be taught facts and not fed with opinions. You know several studies show that IF religious teaching and right to choose were brought to people AFTER they are over 18 years old, many would not feel so strongly about religion and would choose atheism instead of belonging to some religion and forcing some degree of racism and separatism.

[DaanO]

Giving small children the impression that science is THE way that has ABSOLUTE truth is just as big of a lie. And that's what many children are thinking these days. Many adults as well.

[Kosmo]

Giving small children the impression that science is THE way that has ABSOLUTE truth is just as big of a lie. And that's what many children are thinking these days. Many adults as well.

Yeah well I prefer that over to some fairytale in what some religious zealoths live. For example, many of the worlds current problems are drawn from religion.

[DaanO]

There's extremes in every group. Scientist that think their way has all the answers and gives absolute truth are idiots, but so are the religious that feel the same. The fairy-tale people if you want.

[Kosmo]

There's extremes in every group. Scientist that think their way has all the answers and gives absolute truth are idiots, but so are the religious that feel the same. The fairy-tale people if you want.

Yeah but I have never heard of any theory of relativity scientist suicidebombing any quantum theory scientists, and if I have missed that, I guess I have missed the most funniest event in the world.

[JynxDaddy]

Don't even try to compare Science to a religion. Science is the opposite.

Yeah but I have never heard of any theory of relativity scientist suicidebombing any quantum theory scientists, and if I have missed that, I guess I have missed the most funniest event in the world.

:LOL:

[RD]

I actually agree with Bush. Why shouldnt we teach it besides evolution?

It would be dumb not to teach them about it, the theory is known around the world. Ofcourse they should also hear about the bullshit in the theory, for example the eye scam.

It would surprise u how many ppl believe evolution isnt a theory, but the absolute and only truth completely proven by science. How many of us learned (in school) about the weaknesses and problems with evolutionary theory? I dunno about the US, but over here nobody said anything about it. Weve been brainwashed, and the result is this narrowminded thread. There is nothing scientific about teaching only a single view on something we have no answer to

[Kosmo]

It would surprise u how many ppl believe evolution isnt a theory, but the absolute and only truth completely proven by science.

Well I actually think that IF taken account all the religious mumbo jumbo and evolution, the evolution is the truth. But I still consider it as a theory and I'm waiting for confirmation or newer theory.

But evolution is the complete truth proven by todays science and genesis is just a bollocks and there is absolutely no way the intelligent design can be true.

It's not that either of them is rock solid, but intelligent design and it's loopholes and the fact that it is based on "I think human is so complex that it could not have happened by accident", and evolution with it's studies and fewer loopholes than what intelligent design has, I'm just betting my money on the evolution theory.

And what makes science go round is that everything considered to be a fact can be studied and tests can be repeated. Neither of these work on intelligent design, and thusly believing in intelligent design makes those who believe in it drooling idiots.

[DaanO]

Kosmo: So you think that religion can be blamed for what those terrorists are doing? That's the same as blaming Counter-Strike for the Columbia high school shootings.

Jynx: Actually, it's quite similar but people fail to realise it. No system can do without circular reasoning or a certain degree of belief. You cannot base any system (science and religion are both ways of looking at the world) on nothing. Science is based on a few preconceptions that cannot be proven. It gives us some relative truths. Those truths do allow us to live our lives and invent microwaves so it's all good, but do not claim to have the absolute truth because that is, as far as i'm concerned, not within reach (as in, we cannot know, for sure, that something about our world is absolutely true). Many people however, see science is the solution to everything, and (this is where something starts to itch) look down on religion and dismiss it as just bullshit. Now this may sound hypocrit since i just strongly disagreed with intelligent design. But that is because of the arguments they use, not because of the system itself which i am willing to read up on, and study. I will at least take it serious. It's all relative, that's my point i guess.

I actually agree with Bush. Why shouldnt we teach it besides evolution?

It would be dumb not to teach them about it, the theory is known around the world. Ofcourse they should also hear about the bullshit in the theory, for example the eye scam.

It would surprise u how many ppl believe evolution isnt a theory, but the absolute and only truth completely proven by science. How many of us learned (in school) about the weaknesses and problems with evolutionary theory? I dunno about the US, but over here nobody said anything about it. Weve been brainwashed, and the result is this narrowminded thread. There is nothing scientific about teaching only a single view on something we have no answer to

We should, but not in science class, since it's not a scientific theory. I also feel that we shouldn't see religion class as just a sidedish. Besides that i *completely* agree.

It's funny how people believe every scientific theory as absolute truth, and when a new theory comes to replace an old one, they believe the new one and still do not question the system. It's funny, really. Unless of course the earth WAS flat until 500 years ago.

Kosmo: How can you say evolution is the truth when you also say you're waiting for newer theories, when you are just betting your money on something because it has less loopholes?

[Kosmo]

Kosmo: So you think that religion can be blamed for what those terrorists are doing? That's the same as blaming Counter-Strike for the Columbia high school shootings.

Well, I wouldn't compare religion to a video game, since people spend their entire lifes worshipping something and around few small pulses of their life on playing a video game, but sure why not.

Kosmo: How can you say evolution is the truth when you also say you're waiting for newer theories, when you are just betting your money on something because it has less loopholes?

I think that by now your life expericen should have taught you that there is no such thing as absolute truth OR anything that lasts forever. If there is two horses and the other is faster than the other, I'm betting my money on the faster one instead of betting on the slower, but as time passes by, that faster horse will become old or obsolete and even faster horse comes by.

[DaanO]

Religion is slower in some fields but faster in others. Science can only measure things but it cannot teach us anything about the meaning of life, about love and similar things. Hope you get what i mean, else i'd have to look up some Wittgenstein and let him explain

[Kosmo]

Religion is slower in some fields but faster in others. Science can only measure things but it cannot teach us anything about the meaning of life, about love and similar things. Hope you get what i mean, else i'd have to look up some Wittgenstein and let him explain

I do understand, and as in the last thread "religion vs. intelligent design" we had in the core, I said that even if I don't believe in any religion I do understand the need for them, there is no comfort in science, no happy ending, science says that our solarsystem is doomed and there is nothing anyone anywhere can do so people might want to think more about that "god" is in control and he would not let anything bad happen.