Affirmative Action for WHITES!!@!!@!?

[DD]

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040215.wwhit0215/BNStory/International/

These guys rule! Nothing funnier then drastically pointing out the stupidity of people and having them still fail to realize it. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SUCKS. Anyone who believes giving benefits to only certain people because of the color of their skin helps solve the problem of discrimination/racism is a true racist and a idiot.

[Guest The_Postman]

I don't mind this. I think whites should be extended the same ludicrous priviledges extended to "minorities." Kind of stupid to reach out for racial equality by repeatedly naming off what makes us different eh?

[Guest John Kerry]

i actually posted this in #mapcore like 2 days ago... from Yahoo! news

very funny..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=20&u=/ap/20040215/ap_on_re_us/whites_only_scholarship

[mikezilla]

I experienced this first hand when I was applying for scholarships a few years back... I ended up winning a 5000 grant on one of the TWO essay scholarships I was actually allowed to apply for. Somewhere halfway through I broke and started comparing Rosa Parks not giving up her seat on the bus to me losing out on hundreds of thousands of dollars for my education... and then I started talking about slaves I owned only to at the end come to the sudden realization that I'd never owned slaves and had never mistreated a person based on race ever in my life and how much I fully support giving them money I deserve because its the right thing to do... I almost didn't mail it but thought what the hell... let's stick it to the man...

... then I dropped out cuz college sucks.

[FrieChamp]

... then I dropped out cuz college sucks.

And left for making computer games. That's the spirit.

[Fletch]

I hate to break it to you, but affirmative action is neccessary in America. While we've done a really good job at getting rid of legalized segregation, we still have very blatant de facto racial discrimination in America. Go to communities like East St Louis or the south side of Chicago. You've got schools that are 95% black, falling apart, and worse than what oyu would see in third world countries. There are very strong, very REAL ties between race, income, and opportunity in America. It is really easy to grow up white in the suburbs and complain that just once in our lives somebody else gets a better deal than us.

Suck it up you whiney pricks. Try growing up in the ghetto. Try having a family of four living off on $20,000 a year. Black and Hispanics in America have so many fucking hurdles they have to go through in life, I am more than willing to have them have better access to scholarships to pay for college. The only way you break the cycle and make affirmative action unneccessary (which I one day hope it is) is to provide better education to everybody throughout their life. Education is power as corny as that sounds. Children raised by parents with college degrees (regardless of race) are more likely to stay in school and go to college themselves. That means less people growing up uneducated, working minimum wage, and living in poverty.

So you can cry all you want about affirmative action being unfair. But let's face it, you have (or have had) access to good education, the money to buiy such fancy things as the computer you're reading this on, and the opportunity to succeed. Try being thankful for what you have and try extending that to people less fortunate. I'm thankful every day for what I have. I volunteer with the Boys and Girls Club to tutor under-privledged kids. I'm applying for Teach For America. I'm actually trying to make a difference instead of complaining from the sidelines. I suggest some of you try working with these issues for a while and then try to come back to me and say affirmative action is unfair. Until then, shut the fuck up unless you want to grow up looking like a racist trust-fund baby.

[Guest The_Postman]

I've worked for everything I have. Nothing was ever handed to me. You want fair? Guess what, giving someone special priviledges, regarding skin color, does not equate into fair. It's not the right way to achieve racial equality. You said there are very real race lines in America today, well all that affirmative action does is to strengthen the outline of who's black and who's white.

[mikezilla]

Let's have scholarships for fucking poor people. You must have grown up in the ghetto for atleast 15 years, you had to shit in a pale... yadda yadda yadda....

Black people are rich too.

The correct solution (which I might add has nothing to do with racial equality) is to offer people with less income scholarships regardless of race. You see the other 5% of the South Chicago ghetto has to live their entire life without a break because they weren't black. The system has good intentions it's still totally fucked.

And let's toot our own horns about where we've gone and what we've done so it makes out point more valid. I built houses with my hands in Mexico for the last six years... yippee hurrah. I don't care.

[Guest The_Postman]

And I threw a handful of change at a bum and yelled "get a job" last week, ho ho ho. Wait that's not humanitarian of me...

...or is it?

No, no it isn't.

[RD]

if a black guy gets a free scholarship, u should fall on ur knees and praise the possessor of infinite grace!! Crusify this law and u commit gross sin!!

what bad does it do anyway? its unfair but doesnt do damage to u.

The blacks dont riot when u get lucky!!

[Guest John Kerry]

i agree with zilla and posteh...

[Fletch]

You want fair? Guess what, giving someone special priviledges, regarding skin color, does not equate into fair.

Fair has nothing to do with it. Life isn't fair. Being born black or white is completely out of your hands, and yet people are repeatedly punished for it because they happened to be born black. Existence is not equality.

Yeah, in an ideal world we would be having programs that just go to the underprivledged, regardless of color. We have that in FAFSA financial assisstance. Turns out that in the supposedly color-neutral process, the majority of the money was going disproportionately to whites. The system is flawed. Affirmatiev action helps balance out the flaws.

I understand not every black person in America is poor or grew up in the ghetto. And you know why that is? Because affirmative action is WORKING. Look 60 years ago and you'll see the complete opposite. You'll see 95% of blacks in America living in the ghetos. You'll see racism in the real estate industry creating racial steering, urban withdrawl of whites, and the creation of public housing ghettos.

But along with the civil rights movement, we get affirmative action. Black students now have a much better chance of getting a good education. They are able to get good jobs. They are able to support a family in this cycle. But the lingering de facto segregation in America is still cerating a problem with that. Most of the the successful blacks then go to the suburbs, or put their kids in private schools.

Look, I don't want affirmative action around forever. The day it isn't needed anymore will be a great day. But it is still vitaly needed. The education system is America is fucked up and disproportionately supports white students over blacks.

But then we get you guys complaining that boo hoo, it discriminates against you. Did you ever once stop and think about how many things you have had access to that discriminate against blacks in the education system? Like how most states allocate education spending on the "successful" school districts first and the "failing" schools last? Like how you had access to qualified teachers that liked their job and actually knew the subject they were teaching? Like how school districts are supported by property taxes, where rich (white) districts are able to generate more revenue than poor (black) districts? Like how you actually felt SAFE going to school?

You have all recieved things that kids growing up in some of the pooreset black school districts can only dream of. I'm sorry you didn't get to apply for a scholarship because you're white. But you got to go to schools that were able to teach you at the appropriate grade level, develop your mind, and make it easy for you to get in college in the first place. You've already got your "scholarship" in that, purely by being born white.

And just in case people wonder why I give a damn about this, it is because this is one of the primary focuses of my college studies. I've read thousands of books and articles on the subject of racism in America's school system. If you want to have a debate about this, you're gonna need to bring something better than adolescent whining. And in case you want to read a really good introductory book on the subject, I recommend Savage Inequalities by Johnothan Kozol.

[Guest The_Postman]

Oh come off it. Seriously, it sounds like I should be ashamed because my parents saved money, and sent me to college, where I worked to pay the remainder and put myself through college. I wasn't handed this incredible White Male license at birth that guaranteed college, a good job, etc etc. I worked for this. Ugh, I'm done. Too bad of a mood to discuss this in a logical sense.

[Fletch]

I don't want anyone to be ashamed that that they were born white or born into a good family. If anything I want you to be thankful of that. I know I certainly am. But there is definately benefit to looking outside our own life experiences and understanding that a lot of people have it a hell of a lot worse than we ever will.

[DD]

Give money to poor smart people regardless of skin color. Giving money only to poor smart people who are not white is racist. Sorry, but by trying to stop racism with affirmative action it only strengthens it.