Freak explosions in London

[RD]

yes... but the tube tourist was innocent

[ctswin]

you don't run from police who fire a warning shot onto a train with the current situation

[Jezpuh]

yes... but the tube tourist was innocent

He wasn't a tourist.

[RD]

yesyesyes i know all this. But he was still innocent

[Alf-Life]

Yeah poor guy, I heard on the news the bitter irony that he'd phoned his mum in Brazil and said how safe London was and how the police didn't even carry guns.

Still, shouldn't have run - although the cops were plain-clothed so maybe he thought they were gangsters or Cartell or something strange like that.

[Kosmo]

and a terrorist is also innocent until he blows something up.

Now I think that is not actually true, terrorists use terror and threaths like they use guns and bombs, so would he still be innocent if he used a weapon of some sort to threaten a city like London to create mass panic but in the end didn't use it? He would be still a terrorist and would be incarserated for posession of a deadly weapon and terrorist actions.

[st0lve]

But you don't know that its a terrorist until he blows something up. So he doesn't cause any fear unless the person sends threats and stuff..

[Kosmo]

But you don't know that its a terrorist until he blows something up. So he doesn't cause any fear unless the person sends threats and stuff..

True, true.

And usually you don't find out who the terrorists were even after the strike.

[Lurker]

The terrorist is guilty of conspiracy to murder on top of other things before he attacks. As long as he's been planning it, he's guilty. If he wasn't, they would make up new laws to make him guilty.

As for the Brazilian, I haven't heard why he ran in the first place, which was downright retarded if you ask me.

[kleinluka]

He had an appointment with a friend and was late. The officers following him were civil officers in civil clothes. They saw him running for the train (cause he was in a hurry, being late) and shot him in the head 5 times from behind.

The fact that he was wearing a warm jacket even though it was pretty warm in London that day gave the false impression that he was hiding something underneath. What they probably didnt know is that its a bit warmer in Brazil than in London an that he might have been cold (hence the jacket).

Still he should have been more careful

He also jumped over the ticket counters and stuff which is a pretty stupid thing to do (that and the running part) when you know there are officers everywhere with a "kill if in doubt" rule.

[Lurker]

Oh, I had heard he walked out of an apartment that was under police watch, was acting suspiciously and as the police confronted him, he ran away, jumped over the ticket barriers and ran for the trains. He then tripped getting on the train and was jumped on and shot by the police. Either way, he should have stopped, but thats kinda beside the point now.

As far as the shoot to kill policy, its a fine line to cross. On one hand, sooner or later you're bound to have incidents were an innocent man is killed. On the other, there are extreme benefits to having such a policy in place if the bomber is actually killed. In any other situation, the police would move in and arrest the person, or shoot to disable that person's ability to run away. But when you have suicide bombers, you suddenly run into that person being able to blow themselves and you up, so shooting to kill is the only way to stop the bomber from detonating.

I don't know... its an extremely slippery slope.

[Alf-Life]

He also jumped over the ticket counters and stuff which is a pretty stupid thing to do (that and the running part) when you know there are officers everywhere with a "kill if in doubt" rule.

Well, and also knowing that a couple of weeks ago there had been 4 bombs go off, and the day before 4 bombs had been found but didn't go off.

Still, sad. And like Lurker says, it's a slippery slope.

[RD]

he was shot 8 times in his head

[Lurker]

7 times in the head and once in the shoulder.

The new version of the story is that he was buying tickets at the ticket counter, when normal-clothed police men confronted him. Apparently he was in Britain on an expired work visa, and as such he took off. He jumped over the ticket barriers and got on a carriage, where he tripped and was shot said amount of times.

[CrazyMAC]

Know matter what he was doing and know matter how bad you don't run from police on the underground after they have been given "shoot to kill" orders D=#~ i mean you could get shot for stealing a paper.

8 times does seem abit much...