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[Steppenwolf]

This german soldier looks like cloned from a Nazi Propaganda poster. I have never seen a german in real life that looks so aryan.

[Algor]

I like the German, cool style to it.

The Allied soldier is a bit too stylized, with the big build, almost Far Cry merc style.

[Kosmo]

Not sure what you meant by the German comment, but I'll go by what I think you're trying to say. You're trying to say that most of the German soldiers in the military during WWII were Nazi and sympathized with everything the Nazi's were doing. Thats no where near entirely correct, while there were certain factions of the German military which were fiercily loyal, such as the SS, the vast majority of German units were composed of conscripts, for example the normal soldiers you speak of. Most of these people were not Nazis, rather, fighting for their country. Most were completely normal and level-headed human beings. The nutcases who were carrying out the atrocities generally weren't level-headed or sane, and shouldn't be confused with conscripted units.

Then again, you could have meant exactly that, and I could just have misunderstood what you said.

Yes, I know perfectly well that common soldiers and the average street person were not Nazis nor did they support the acts that they did, but if you think about it, there has not been a single Nazi in RTS or FPS games since the days of Wolfenstein and Spear. So why did they leave them off?

In these "realistic" games you never attack and save people from concentration camps nor do they tell you about the things that went down behind the closed door with Himmler and his SS. So now we have kiddies who think that WW2 was cool because of Tom Hanks and his Band of Brothers series. All people who have studied WW2 do not think it was that glamorous, just like RD said, american soldiers were mostly kids with no idea what they were doing and SS had some very sick agenda.

Maybe it is just me and maybe I'm wrong for hating WW2 and people who make it so glamorous, because when I watched those documents I got sick and almost threw up, and that is the effect those games should have, to remind us of what it really was, and not to entertain us.

But yeah, now if those games were as brutal as they should, they wouldn't make them, and actually, that would be way better.

[Mazy]

Not sure what you meant by the German comment, but I'll go by what I think you're trying to say. You're trying to say that most of the German soldiers in the military during WWII were Nazi and sympathized with everything the Nazi's were doing. Thats no where near entirely correct, while there were certain factions of the German military which were fiercily loyal, such as the SS, the vast majority of German units were composed of conscripts, for example the normal soldiers you speak of. Most of these people were not Nazis, rather, fighting for their country. Most were completely normal and level-headed human beings. The nutcases who were carrying out the atrocities generally weren't level-headed or sane, and shouldn't be confused with conscripted units.

Then again, you could have meant exactly that, and I could just have misunderstood what you said.

Yes, I know perfectly well that common soldiers and the average street person were not Nazis nor did they support the acts that they did, but if you think about it, there has not been a single Nazi in RTS or FPS games since the days of Wolfenstein and Spear. So why did they leave them off?

In these "realistic" games you never attack and save people from concentration camps nor do they tell you about the things that went down behind the closed door with Himmler and his SS. So now we have kiddies who think that WW2 was cool because of Tom Hanks and his Band of Brothers series. All people who have studied WW2 do not think it was that glamorous, just like RD said, american soldiers were mostly kids with no idea what they were doing and SS had some very sick agenda.

Maybe it is just me and maybe I'm wrong for hating WW2 and people who make it so glamorous, because when I watched those documents I got sick and almost threw up, and that is the effect those games should have, to remind us of what it really was, and not to entertain us.

But yeah, now if those games were as brutal as they should, they wouldn't make them, and actually, that would be way better.

I agree that WW2 games these days does put a more bright light on it. Band of Brothers is a bad example though. Check episode 9 for example.

[Low]

Yah I'm getting a little worn out on the WW2 games. After Call of Duty I kinda stopped buying them. I've played the Medal of Honer series and Call of Duty games a little to much. It's all the WW2 I can take.

It's quite surprising that the game industry dosen't produce any games for any other wars. I can't seem to recall to many war first person shooter games that are outside of WW2 besides Battlefield: Vietnam. But then again perhaps WW2 only provides an ideal war game. I guess not to many people want to be shooting muskets.

How about a game for the Cold War? Eh? Yah? Hmmmm? :roll:

But now to be serious I would have to agree with you Kosmo. WW2 was definatley not a fun time.

[Mazy]

Last year there was an absoulte shitload of vietnam war based games

[sensee]

We need more wars on this planet!

:roll:

Actually there were enough wars that could be used in games, e.g. the Korean War, the Bosnian War, many wars in Afrika as well as in South Amerika and last but not least, the war in Iraq. Well, I guess the reason why so many developers prefer WWII is simply because the second part of the war (when the USA came into play) is being considered by most people for a "good" war, because it was all about kicking Hitler's ass and that can't be a bad thing.

Other wars are more controversial, that's probably the reason why many game companies want to stay politcally correct and choose a "good war" for their games.

[RD]

Just to burst ur balloon Sensee, it was mostly the Russians which kicked hitlers ass. America lost like half a million troops, russians around 25million. But then again, Russian soldiers were almost just as bad for germans as the nazis were for jews, but i cant blame em=) I would like to play a game this brutal

[Lurker]

Not sure what you meant by the German comment, but I'll go by what I think you're trying to say. You're trying to say that most of the German soldiers in the military during WWII were Nazi and sympathized with everything the Nazi's were doing. Thats no where near entirely correct, while there were certain factions of the German military which were fiercily loyal, such as the SS, the vast majority of German units were composed of conscripts, for example the normal soldiers you speak of. Most of these people were not Nazis, rather, fighting for their country. Most were completely normal and level-headed human beings. The nutcases who were carrying out the atrocities generally weren't level-headed or sane, and shouldn't be confused with conscripted units.

Then again, you could have meant exactly that, and I could just have misunderstood what you said.

Yes, I know perfectly well that common soldiers and the average street person were not Nazis nor did they support the acts that they did, but if you think about it, there has not been a single Nazi in RTS or FPS games since the days of Wolfenstein and Spear. So why did they leave them off?

In these "realistic" games you never attack and save people from concentration camps nor do they tell you about the things that went down behind the closed door with Himmler and his SS. So now we have kiddies who think that WW2 was cool because of Tom Hanks and his Band of Brothers series. All people who have studied WW2 do not think it was that glamorous, just like RD said, american soldiers were mostly kids with no idea what they were doing and SS had some very sick agenda.

Maybe it is just me and maybe I'm wrong for hating WW2 and people who make it so glamorous, because when I watched those documents I got sick and almost threw up, and that is the effect those games should have, to remind us of what it really was, and not to entertain us.

But yeah, now if those games were as brutal as they should, they wouldn't make them, and actually, that would be way better.

I hear ya, but often times the units who were the hardcore Nazi supporters weren't anywhere near the frontlines. Thats not exactly handy for a war game, after all. If we're trying to be historically accurate, you wouldn't really run into these units in a game like Call of Duty, Medal of Honor or Brothers in Arms. Seeing as how these games (outside of BIA) are already borderline arcady and hold very loosely to history, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't implement Nazi-ized soldiers outside of the fact that many people find it offensive and the swastika is banned in Germany.

But yeah, I know what you're saying. If you've got an adrenaline meter, boss battles and other arcady shit like that, why wouldn't they throw some Nazi scum into the mix as well? I don't know.

Personally I don't get the WWII is old argument. Its not the setting you hate, its the games. There are 2 billion post-apocalypic FPSs, but that setting sees a satisfactory amount of innovation that keeps it fresh. You have games like Medal of Honor: European Assualt that has things like an adrenaline meter where if you get enough adrenaline, you get infinite ammo and you're invurnable. That shit is whack.

[sensee]

Just to burst ur balloon Sensee, it was mostly the Russians which kicked hitlers ass. America lost like half a million troops, russians around 25million. But then again, Russian soldiers were almost just as bad for germans as the nazis were for jews, but i cant blame em=) I would like to play a game this brutal

Yes I knew that. But who cares about Stalingrad, D-Day rulzz!!!111 :roll:

[Kosmo]

I hear ya, but often times the units who were the hardcore Nazi supporters weren't anywhere near the frontlines. Thats not exactly handy for a war game, after all. If we're trying to be historically accurate, you wouldn't really run into these units in a game like Call of Duty, Medal of Honor or Brothers in Arms. Seeing as how these games (outside of BIA) are already borderline arcady and hold very loosely to history, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't implement Nazi-ized soldiers outside of the fact that many people find it offensive and the swastika is banned in Germany.

Well I don't know how deep the Nezism went in the regular soldier, but SS troops were very much in the front line, especially the Waffen-SS and many commando missions were ran by SS officers and soldiers, and all SS had pretty stron connections to Nazi ideology and Himmlers dream.

The games don't even mention things like Himmlers plans for state within a state and his enourmos castle building and all the occult shit that went down, both axis and allies were pretty afraid of that stuff and I think that many still are, atleast I am, they were more than crazy, they were ideological fanatics with no sense of reality, and they were in the highest positions of an imperium.

You should check out document series called Occult History of the Third Reich, scares the shit out of you and then back in I promise you that.

I understand the bannind of Swastika and anything other Nazi related, it was not a happy time, but then again, UK didn't ban anything related to Margaret Thatcher and she was not in the right mind :roll: (no, not that I compare Thatcher to Nazis but many see her as totalitarian and something that should not have happened).

[marque_pierre]

Relic is a f%#king amazing company. Their personnel director promised me an interview and a flight ticket when I graduate. They are awesome. Can't say that enough!

[st0lve]

Is Relic in the UK or US?

Since as far I know, its a really cool place to work.

And their games rock.

[marque_pierre]

They are in... Canada! In Vancouver on the Western coast of Canada. Just a stone throw away from Whistler/Black Comb which is supposedly the best snowboarding terrain on the American continent. So perfect for a Norwegian such as yourself...

[st0lve]

Been there, looks kinda like back home.