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I just got a new PC and noticed for the first time the bloom intensity on this map was out of wack. That's what happens when you build a map on integrated graphics! So much better now.

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I redesigned the layout of kid's room and removed some furniture for better mobility and additional after-plant positions.

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CTs will now have a much easier time rushing through the window to get into A Site at the start of a round. And the extra space gives Ts in a post-plant scenario more options to defend from this location. -bed -cupboard -sidetable

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A Site / Living Room also went through the same process of removing furniture and making space for better mobility and additional post-plant positions. -couch -sidetable -boxes

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I decided CTs could use another way into B site to improve retakes and rotations, so I added a drainage pit.

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Standing up here will give you a view of the connecting tunnel to pit. The planks on top of the grating are there to restrict some angles, keeping it tight and focused (have to be mindful of the surrounding height variations).

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The planks also give players a way to cross over pit and play the corner by the hedge without being seen from below.

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CTs can drop down quickly at the start of the round and make it to B site a bit faster now. Also added pipes to let players boost up for rotations.

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Both teams can leverage pit to defend pushes from farside and backhill.

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Pit connects to the redesigned utility room.

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Utility room now feels more a part of B site, whereas before it functioned more as a connector.

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Hopefully the addition of pit and the expansion of utility room will make B site approaches and defenses more dynamic.

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    The idea of using form (refrence) to create function (layout) is intriguing. This resulted in a more believable theme that feels natural rather then forced. 

Here are a few thematic things I noticed:

-The transition from wood flooring to A site seems to abrupt and is not believable. I think a transitional strip of wood with a darker color between the areas would help. It is also worth mentioning that the colors don't completely work together. Maybe a lighter tone wood or darker carpeting would fix this.

-The hole in the wall at B is not very believable. The cinder blocks seem too large to fit in the wall, and all parts of the broken wall are perfect except for one corner. I don't think adding more sticking out, rotated, and broken blocks would be bad as long as they are out of sight lines when you are standing or crouching.

-The orange tarp on the scaffolding looks out of place and fits better in a large construction site. 

-The checkered carpet in your earlier screenshots isn't tiling right, or is unaligned. 

-I would experiment with replacing the planks leaning on the tree with a tree gaurd or something else natural and believable like the bags you see around trees to protect them: 

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-The road (noticably) lacks central lane lines. 

-The garden overlooking drainage should have a larger variety of species and slightly denser. It looks really dead right now.

Csgo maps are really lenient with this stuff, but I feel like maintaining the realisticity in the details will help set the map even further apart.

As for actual gameplay, everything looks well thought out. Only playtesting can tell (assuming you haven't had it already or recently).

Edit: Your radar looks like it can use a custom gradient. The height variations are hard to make out.

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@Interfearance Hey man, thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback. You make great points. I'll definitely address them in the next update.

I've done a ton of testing with bots and some games with a few friends, but have yet to put it through a real competitive pressure test. I'd like to get a proper playtest going soon.

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Big thanks to the playtesters from the Raidboss community for running Neighbors during their Sunday 10-mans! Also thanks to @Interfearance for a lot of very solid feedback. After taking all that into consideration and reviewing demos, several issues became clear.

The map has long suffered from openness and long sight lines. I'm slowly but surely going through the process of creating better separation between areas to alleviate that. Here is the first of many changes in that direction.

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Added a fence above T garage to cut off long sight lines towards road. It also makes this side of backyard more room-like so players can push for control and hold it. The cool boost from the hedge below is no longer possible, but I feel like blocking visibility here does way more good. There are also more ways to use smokes and molotovs with this setup.

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Replaced my janky func_detail ventilation domes here with some models i didn't know existed and added a platform below.

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One of the main issues of the A Site approach was how many entrances it had. Even though three of them were non-standard (windows), it still proved to be too overwhelming for players and made it virtually impossible to hold the site solo. So I've closed the windows to living room and bedroom, leaving only the window to kids room open. This changes a lot. For one thing, CTs can peak backyard and then retreat behind the building much more safely. I've even added a protruding wall to give CTs additional cover when defending a push towards backhill.

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I also moved part of this fence forward and added a porta potty for more cover at the top of the hill.

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And I replaced the planks of wood against the tree with bags. The net result of these changes is an area that's a bit tighter with more deliberate angles and a better progression for cover.

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Now this one is huge. I completely blocked off farside (the eastern outdoor side of the map) to effectively reduce the map to 4 lanes instead of 5. It was too easy for Ts to abuse that route and flank the hell out of CTs. It also drew focus away from the driveway and basement hallway approaches to B Site. I've known all along one of these routes needed to go, I just needed to see the map meta develop a bit to make the right call.

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With farside gone, I didn't see much reason to keep the grating and planks at the top of pit so I removed them completely. Now players can drop in smoother and feel less claustrophobic while playing this position.

I'll get into the changes on A Site in my next post. I gotta get the hell to bed! To be continued...

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On 9/8/2019 at 11:23 AM, That50'sGuy said:

This map is giving me major GTA 4 vibes, and I like it!

Keep it up!

Lol its giving me Siege vibes.

Seems like an awesome map

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