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from running around I think the weakest part of the map is mid rn, especially the mid connector to B. Ts with mid to B control essentially have control of CT and thus all of the CT enterances to B. I know simplicity is good, but I think such an important part of the map such as mid needs to be a bit more complex than just a single hallway with 2 routes to either site. I don't know what exactly to change but mid just seems flawed. Ofc this is just from a run around, if playtests are fine then ignore my advice

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19 hours ago, Byron said:

from running around I think the weakest part of the map is mid rn, especially the mid connector to B. Ts with mid to B control essentially have control of CT and thus all of the CT enterances to B. I know simplicity is good, but I think such an important part of the map such as mid needs to be a bit more complex than just a single hallway with 2 routes to either site. I don't know what exactly to change but mid just seems flawed. Ofc this is just from a run around, if playtests are fine then ignore my advice

Well... we have playtested this map 15 times. Mid was always too complicated because of.. reasons. The balance have shifted alot, but was at the end CT sided and now with the new timings with T having abit more of a advantage on mid bridge and canal it feels right. Not sure if there is a real mid, guess there is a kind of double mid, or perhaps two routes to each site, with some more dynamic features, but guess calling it mid sounds most logic, atleast thats how we defined it during the playtests. 

The map is abit different from standard, though its easy to learn and I think it needs time and some teamwork (especially as T) to master it. Mid might looks simple, but it has some dynamic features and especially CTs got quick rotation options to always backup their teammates. I guess you should play a few matches on it to find out and learn and master the map ;) Controlling mid on this map is taking a huge advantage over your opponent for both teams, so its quite important. CT own abit more of control on the map, but this can be shifted easyly, Though with the quick CT rotations it remains risky for T's and grenades are advised.

For an example T's splitting to B, but not owning the bridge/canal means CT can rotate from there easyly and getting behind them. T's splitting mid/A is a risk of losing the advantage of 5 vs 2, but when succeeding they get lots of control arround A and can even decide to smoke off A and go B/CT while taking a risk though. So as a T do you decide to split up or go full force trough the main path and remain control from there. I guess I provide a 'simple' layout where the player can try out different playstyles and tactics, I guess thats what you want when creating a CS:GO map.

Not sure if this clearifies things up for you or not, guess you should experience it. You might be right, more playtests should be done to know for sure. I guess a map always has room for improvement so.. though this mid is the core of the map and everything is based arround that from the start.

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👍 great stuff! Perhaps some edges of the 'Corinthian' pillars (I know they're not exactly the same, but you get my point) could use a tiny bit more grime, they kinda look too much the same tone of color. But since you already know about that, I don't have more to say!

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